Joe, Pls see my comments in line:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Joe Croft
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:42 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Schematic program
> 
> Alas,  yet another person who misunderstands open source and it's authors.
> First, let me say, there is a lot of crap in the open source world, almost
> as
> much as in the shareware world. Just check out sourceforge.net to see a
> sample. For reference, I write my share of open source code. I just have
> enough pride not to  publish my crappier code.

BILL> Amen (and thanks) to that brother!

> 
> With that said, a vast majority of apps people have written is because
> THEY
> have a need and THEY write their own solution. They know what;'s needed.
> Two
> areas where they fall down, first is that most applications like a CAD
> program
> is way more than a single individual can conquer. The second is that not
> every
> programmer is the best User Interface expert.
> 
> I like PCB. IT WORKS QUITE WELL! Granted it the board gets too complex, I
> can
> see where it would fall down, maybe. I did Nixieneon using gEDA PCB. I
> tried
> Eagle and there was no way I was going to be able to place the 60 neon
> bulbs
> and their 3 associated components in the rings like they were needed with
> that
> tool!  I suspect if I just needed the parts on the board and let it do the
> routing, life would be good.

BILL> If I understand you problem, than it is too bad you did not read the
relevant portion of the manual. I just created a board with a circle of
parts (60 LEDs). It goes like this: determine the center of your circle, and
"move" the parts via the command line. Format is part_name, distance from
center, and angle (polar coordinates). I calculated the angles in excel,
saved as a CSV, and paste in the Eagle command line. Voila, 5 minutes from
start to end, a perfect circle of parts.


> 
> Where I most like PCB is that I don't need a schematic to make a board. I
> find
> that I can layout the circuit on the board, then create the schematic
> after
> the fact. The board layout is just a bazaar form of a schematic.
> 
> For reference, I'm thoroughly disgusted with the current crop of low cost
> CAD
> programs. If anyone is a good C++ programmer interested in helping me at
> least
> investigate what it will take to write one with me, please let me know. I
> am
> very well versed with the Qt toolkit.

BILL> Good luck with that.

> 
> And for reference, I use a programmers editor (CRiSP, what Brief should've
> become) and Makefiles, not no stinkin' IDEs when I write code. Now my
> stance
> on PCB should make more sense!  ;)
> 
> -joe


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