If this uses an isolated supply (such as from a wall-wart), you need to 
touch 2 circuit nodes at different voltages in order to get shocked.
Any chance this was from electrostatic discharge (ESD) ?


On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:26:31 AM UTC-8 Robert L wrote:

> *I just remembered one more hazard... again an issue with the conductive 
> black layer coming in contact with various voltages.*
>
> There is a small tab at an interior edge of the label plate sticking out 
> toward the tube carrier pcb in the middle where the tube carrier connector 
> is soldered to the tube carrier pcb. This is on the front side of the tube 
> carrier pcb and is shown in circled the image below. The label plate tab is 
> a few mm wide and is near the center of the label plate.  
>
> Make sure this tab is clear of and above the tube carrier connector 
> mounting pins. It is possible to catch the black conductive side of the 
> label sheet tab on the connector pins when mounting the tube carrier. 
>
> This issue will not be a problem if the label plate is properly installed 
> with the tab clear of and above the connector pins.
>
> Again, the same potential problem... there is the possibility of various 
> voltages coming in contact with the conductive layer... possibly another 
> shock hazard as there are moderately high voltages on pins in the center 
> section of the connector. I could also imagine a possibility of damage to 
> clock circuits depending on which pins touch the conductive black surface. 
> While the -270V pin is at the side of the connector well clear of the 
> plastic tab, there are other voltages on center pins where contact with the 
> label sheet is possible. 
>
> Once again, *make sure the tab is completely clear of and **above all of 
> the connector mounting pins*. It is possible to catch the black 
> conductive side of the label sheet tab on the connector pins when mounting 
> the tube carrier.
>
> The tab is circled in red in this image copied from the assembly manual.
> [image: tab.jpg]
>
> I think assuring that the label sheet tab clears the tube carrier pins 
> will mitigate this additional hazard. I leave it to each of you to 
> determine that the mitigation you adopt is safe and sufficient. My intent 
> is to make others aware of the hazard so that they can mitigate as they see 
> fit.
>
> And once again, best regard, stay safe and well!
> Bob
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:33:26 AM UTC-8 Robert L wrote:
>
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> I guess I could have been more clear... The label plate ink is only 
>> *moderately* conductive; black ink on a somewhat flexible white 
>> substrate... the label is not FR4 pcb material and there are no metal 
>> layers. I have no experience using this material and am just letting you 
>> know what I saw looking at the sheet on my friends clock. Both photos show 
>> pretty good detail of the sides of the label sheet. 
>>
>> I measured about 18K between each pair of two side case screws securing 
>> the label plate. I measured higher resistance side to side between the more 
>> widely spaced pairs of front and back screws. Again, moderately conductive. 
>> Obviously no conductivity to speak of for the laser cut plastic case parts 
>> that the retaining screws screw into. I was able to measure the high 
>> voltage with one probe gently resting on the black ink surface. Lightly 
>> touching the black paint with the rounded side of a probe tip was 
>> sufficient. I did not need to touch the metal screws or use the sharp probe 
>> tip to break through a surface layer in order to measure voltage.
>>
>> The flexibility of the printed sheet likely contributes to the problem. 
>> The sheet was able flex a bit to make contact with the pots.
>>
>> Moving forward, my friends two clocks are packed and will be in the mail 
>> tomorrow. I no longer have a clock that I can look at or experiment with.
>>
>> Again, all best regards, stay safe and well!
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:10:27 PM UTC-8 Terry S wrote:
>>
>>>  Is this printing on a PCB? Not clear from your photos.
>>>
>>> It seems unlikely that ink used on a PCB would be conductive. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:52:25 PM UTC-6 Robert L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> A friend received a rather nasty shock from one of his Mr. Nixie ITS-1A 
>>>> clocks... To add insult to injury, he dropped the clock when shocked and 
>>>> two tubes were broken.
>>>>
>>>> I've repaired his clock and, in the process, identified and mitigated 
>>>> the shock hazard. Note that I am not connected with Mr. Nixie. I'm simply 
>>>> trying to help others avoid this nasty experience.
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I found...
>>>>
>>>> 1) The black bottom case cover with  labels for "SET", "ADJ" and "ALM" 
>>>> is likely printed using a carbon black based ink... Whatever the ink used, 
>>>> it's conductive.
>>>>
>>>> 2) There are 6 trim pots on the tube carrier assembly used to 
>>>> individually adjust -270V supplied to each of the six tubes. Tabs on the 
>>>> trim pots are directly over the conductive black printed base plate.
>>>>
>>>> The trim pot mounting tabs on my friends clock had come into contact 
>>>> with the conductive printed label. My friend touched the label and a 
>>>> grounded piece of the clock and was rewarded with the rather nasty shock.
>>>>
>>>> The photos below show the mitigation I used on my friends clocks.
>>>>
>>>> The mitigation is to assure that the trim pot tabs do not contact the 
>>>> black label plate. I added a triple thickness of Kapton tape between the 
>>>> trim pots and the label plate on his clocks. This may not be the best 
>>>> possible solution, but it's a starting place. I leave it to each of you to 
>>>> find a mitigation that you feel is safe. 
>>>>
>>>> I urge you to check your ITS-1A clock for this hazard and mitigate as 
>>>> you see fit. 
>>>>
>>>> I used a DVM to measure the voltage with one probe to the supply ground 
>>>> and the second probe touching the black printed label. I could also 
>>>> measure 
>>>> resistance between these two points with the clock unplugged. There should 
>>>> be an open circuit between these points -  no voltage / open circuit 
>>>> between these points.
>>>>
>>>> A visual check will let you see if there's clearance between the trim 
>>>> pots and the label plate. I strongly recommend that you mitigate the 
>>>> hazard 
>>>> - clearance or not. At a minimum, I think that you want a non-conductive 
>>>> barrier between the trim pot tabs and the conductive  label.
>>>>
>>>> Trim pot tabs are very close to the conductive label plate on the clock 
>>>> shown below... tabs were touching on the clock that shocked my friend::
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20220127_175801532.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> This is the clock that shocked my friend. The photo shows a triple 
>>>> thickness of Kapton tape separating all of the trim pot tabs from the 
>>>> label 
>>>> plate. Tape is held in place by adhesive backing and is also trapped 
>>>> between the tube carrier and label plate:
>>>>
>>>> [image: PXL_20220127_180629685.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> This hazard and a possible mitigation posted here in the hope that it 
>>>> prevents others from receiving a nasty surprise!
>>>>
>>>> All best regards,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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