Hi Ruth and others, To be honest, it might be better to let Netbehaviour go, if you feel like this; the great thing about it, for me, is that it is a completely open platform; people can post what they want to it. When you talk about being "someone else's guest" you're talking about a very different structure like empyre, which has guests and topics. Netbehaviour has been and at least for me continues to be more of a community. To "hangout" as well implies themes or something like Discord channels.
I've found Netbehaviour invaluable; I wouldn't have gone personally in the directions of blockchains, Larf, the work others are doing here - and that's what makes it so important - that it's a level playing field. If you do want to end it, please do of course. For me, I value the community. Precisely because Annie objects, it feels like that, like a community. And I think we need all sorts of viewpoints; it feels open, and people come and go when it's functioning well. I was thinking that this list had less activity because of Covid, but the two (smaller) lists I run have bounced back. Of course if you find it a burden, Ruth, that's another issue altogether. For me I don't want people to "take the list in another direction" or any direction at all. The value is that it's not a stream, that it's not dedicated one way or another. I'm interested in seeing not what it might become, as you say, but what it is. It reminds me of when I was at Furtherfield; people did all sorts of things... And of course I'm willing to have the list disappear if that's what people want; I'm running two lists, Cybermind and Wryting-L; these *are* communities and have been for decades. Wryting-L is dedicated to people's writing/writhing/wreathing in - creative work, Cybermind is much quieter now, a community that began in 1994 with me Michael Current who died at a very young age. But we continue on and it's incredibly rewarding. Best, Alan On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 6:46 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear All, > > Thanks for raising the question Alan. > > I agree with Edward that art* as* conversation has moved to platforms > like Instagram. I follow a lot of early (and not so early) personal net art > inspirations there - Auriea Harvey, Kate Southworth, Gretta Louw and Marc > Garrett;) - whose work seems to be turning away from reflexive and > media-critical concerns and returning to image production for a million > reasons. > > Congratulations Rhea, for your contribution to artistry and explanation in > the tough-to-navigate terrain of art blockchain and NFTs - I find your > Southebys video an example of clarity and generosity. The breadcrumbs show > looks very lively! > > I find the sharing of links an excellent way to have a kind of > conversation because it allows people to port into different conversations > where they occur (in their native territory). It's laborious to try and > convey all the contexts if everyone isn't involved in the same > explorations. I find it harder to follow long textual conversations here > in-list. > > Annie, if you have questions I don't understand why you start with a > declaration of hate. I did try (very imperfectly) to respond to questions > about NFTs and energy, earlier this year, and I thought we had built some > shared understanding in the process. One of the things I struggled with at > that time was the realisation that Netbehaviour no longer functioned for me > as a community of practice. By which I mean we are no longer united by a > spirit of common investigation - where people learn, critique, explore > together - the polarisation is too strong. I participate in a number of > telegram and discord channels for this purpose now, but I give the most > energy to those projects in which I am an active participant. My favourite > "conversations" are inter-media and they co-create artistic community. I'd > happily talk more about some examples of these (maybe I'll send some links > soon;) > > This list is still very important to me personally - but it somehow sits > outside of time and production. This sense is emphasised by Alan's use of > it as a daily performance platform- this keeps the list alive and sets a > particular tone. I feel it is peopled by a longstanding community of > artist, techie and thinker friends, connected by a shared experience of the > early web, who are all "becoming" and are sometimes curious about each > others' ways and discoveries. The spirit of kind curiosity about art and > sociality is what I value most here. It feels like an unmanicured part of > the art-nature web, and I learn from it. > > So... > > Here's a question we have been talking about at Furtherfield...* Is it > time for us to hand on the Netbehaviour baton?* > > Perhaps this group of people would be better served by a more focused, > structured approach, or another style of approach entirely. Personally, I'd > love to see where other people might take it. I can imagine it suddenly > shapeshifting into an entirely different creature. > > What does everyone think? Would anyone like to take it on? Does it feel > like the right time? > > Do let us know. Here or in a private email. We can talk about what it > might be, and become. > > We would be happy to support the baton handover process and I personally > would love to come and hang out with you all as someone else's guest; ) > > warmly > Ruth > > > > > On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 3:14 AM rhea via NetBehaviour < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Heya everyone. >> >> Thank you for your kind wishes. I massively appreciate it. >> >> I have more (but different) news! Some of the blockchain work I've made >> since 2014 has got more artworld attention over the last few months. 👀 >> >> I have work in a show - >> >> https://nagel-draxler.de/exhibition/breadcrumbs/ >> >> An Auction (there's a video of me talking about the work on the page) - >> >> >> https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/natively-digital-a-curated-nft-sale-2/secret-artwork-content >> >> And a book - >> >> http://www.postmediabooks.it/2021/303surfing/9788874903030.htm >> >> Also @coin_artist has very kindly credited me as an advisor for a piece >> that *she* has at auction - >> >> >> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/proof-sovereignty-curated-nft-sale-lady-pheonix/coin-artist-b-1985-18/121279 >> >> It's interesting to see what grabs people's imagination. And how much >> money I could have made if I had either worked with NFTs from the start or >> waited until this year. 😺 >> >> - Rhea. >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > -- > Ruth Catlow > she/her > Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts > Lab > +44 (0) 77370 02879 > > *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender > balanced. > > **sending thanks > <https://www.ovoenergy.com/ovo-newsroom/press-releases/2019/november/think-before-you-thank-if-every-brit-sent-one-less-thank-you-email-a-day-we-would-save-16433-tonnes-of-carbon-a-year-the-same-as-81152-flights-to-madrid.html> > in > advance > > *Furtherfield *disrupts and democratises art and technology through > exhibitions, > labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free thinking. > furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> > > *DECAL* Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 > technologies research hub > > for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. > > decal.is <http://www.decal.is> > > Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee > > Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. > > Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London, > EC1A 9ET. > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- *=====================================================* *directory http://www.alansondheim.org <http://www.alansondheim.org> tel 718-813-3285**email sondheim ut panix.com <http://panix.com>, sondheim ut gmail.com <http://gmail.com>* *=====================================================*
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