I agree with Alan on this, obviously;
and only now realize the initial question, by Ruth, which i missed, it being my
first long weekend where i can be outside and relax ('bank holiday', this being
London).
I completely like, adore and support this list
and i hope it goes on forever,
as I value the open platform community here,
best
Johannes Birringer
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Like Buses
Hi Ruth and others,
To be honest, it might be better to let Netbehaviour go, if you feel like this;
the great thing about it, for me, is that it is a completely open platform;
people can post what they want to it. When you talk about being "someone else's
guest" you're talking about a very different structure like empyre, which has
guests and topics. Netbehaviour has been and at least for me continues to be
more of a community. To "hangout" as well implies themes or something like
Discord channels.
I've found Netbehaviour invaluable; I wouldn't have gone personally in the
directions of blockchains, Larf, the work others are doing here - and that's
what makes it so important - that it's a level playing field. If you do want to
end it, please do of course. For me, I value the community.
Precisely because Annie objects, it feels like that, like a community. And I
think we need all sorts of viewpoints; it feels open, and people come and go
when it's functioning well. I was thinking that this list had less activity
because of Covid, but the two (smaller) lists I run have bounced back.
Of course if you find it a burden, Ruth, that's another issue altogether. For
me I don't want people to "take the list in another direction" or any direction
at all. The value is that it's not a stream, that it's not dedicated one way or
another. I'm interested in seeing not what it might become, as you say, but
what it is. It reminds me of when I was at Furtherfield; people did all sorts
of things...
And of course I'm willing to have the list disappear if that's what people
want; I'm running two lists, Cybermind and Wryting-L; these are communities and
have been for decades. Wryting-L is dedicated to people's
writing/writhing/wreathing in - creative work, Cybermind is much quieter now, a
community that began in 1994 with me Michael Current who died at a very young
age. But we continue on and it's incredibly rewarding.
Best, Alan
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 6:46 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour
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wrote:
Dear All,
Thanks for raising the question Alan.
I agree with Edward that art as conversation has moved to platforms like
Instagram. I follow a lot of early (and not so early) personal net art
inspirations there - Auriea Harvey, Kate Southworth, Gretta Louw and Marc
Garrett;) - whose work seems to be turning away from reflexive and
media-critical concerns and returning to image production for a million reasons.
Congratulations Rhea, for your contribution to artistry and explanation in the
tough-to-navigate terrain of art blockchain and NFTs - I find your Southebys
video an example of clarity and generosity. The breadcrumbs show looks very
lively!
I find the sharing of links an excellent way to have a kind of conversation
because it allows people to port into different conversations where they occur
(in their native territory). It's laborious to try and convey all the contexts
if everyone isn't involved in the same explorations. I find it harder to follow
long textual conversations here in-list.
Annie, if you have questions I don't understand why you start with a
declaration of hate. I did try (very imperfectly) to respond to questions about
NFTs and energy, earlier this year, and I thought we had built some shared
understanding in the process. One of the things I struggled with at that time
was the realisation that Netbehaviour no longer functioned for me as a
community of practice. By which I mean we are no longer united by a spirit of
common investigation - where people learn, critique, explore together - the
polarisation is too strong. I participate in a number of telegram and discord
channels for this purpose now, but I give the most energy to those projects in
which I am an active participant. My favourite "conversations" are inter-media
and they co-create artistic community. I'd happily talk more about some
examples of these (maybe I'll send some links soon;)
This list is still very important to me personally - but it somehow sits
outside of time and production. This sense is emphasised by Alan's use of it as
a daily performance platform- this keeps the list alive and sets a particular
tone. I feel it is peopled by a longstanding community of artist, techie and
thinker friends, connected by a shared experience of the early web, who are all
"becoming" and are sometimes curious about each others' ways and discoveries.
The spirit of kind curiosity about art and sociality is what I value most here.
It feels like an unmanicured part of the art-nature web, and I learn from it.
So...
Here's a question we have been talking about at Furtherfield... Is it time for
us to hand on the Netbehaviour baton?
Perhaps this group of people would be better served by a more focused,
structured approach, or another style of approach entirely. Personally, I'd
love to see where other people might take it. I can imagine it suddenly
shapeshifting into an entirely different creature.
What does everyone think? Would anyone like to take it on? Does it feel like
the right time?
Do let us know. Here or in a private email. We can talk about what it might be,
and become.
We would be happy to support the baton handover process and I personally would
love to come and hang out with you all as someone else's guest; )
warmly
Ruth
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 3:14 AM rhea via NetBehaviour
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wrote:
Heya everyone.
Thank you for your kind wishes. I massively appreciate it.
I have more (but different) news! Some of the blockchain work I've made since
2014 has got more artworld attention over the last few months. 👀
I have work in a show -
https://nagel-draxler.de/exhibition/breadcrumbs/
An Auction (there's a video of me talking about the work on the page) -
https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/natively-digital-a-curated-nft-sale-2/secret-artwork-content
And a book -
http://www.postmediabooks.it/2021/303surfing/9788874903030.htm
Also @coin_artist has very kindly credited me as an advisor for a piece that
*she* has at auction -
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/proof-sovereignty-curated-nft-sale-lady-pheonix/coin-artist-b-1985-18/121279
It's interesting to see what grabs people's imagination. And how much money I
could have made if I had either worked with NFTs from the start or waited until
this year. 😺
- Rhea.
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