Thanks Paul indeed we were in Skopje together thanks for the memory! Ana On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 at 21:09, Paul Hertz via NetBehaviour < netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> In a war where generational trauma haunts all parties, it is extremely > difficult to see a way forward for peace. Nevertheless, I would offer this > link to a recent text by Mushon Zer-Aviv, which addresses that question. > > https://medium.com/@mushon/your-empathy-is-killing-us-1a50a4fc0488 > > I can't remember if Mushon is on NetBehaviour. I know him from the > Upgrade! list and meeting him in Skopje (I think Ana Valdés was there > too?), and have followed his words for some years. Never before have they > seemed so cogent or necessary. And I am moved more by the picture at the > end of his text than by the words, speaking to the generational project > that may be the only way forward from the deep set memory of trauma, the > flight or fight or freeze response, the parochial empathy, the taking of > sides, willy-nilly. > > There is more that I have been mulling over, but let me leave you first > with Mushon's words. > > paz, > > Paul > > > > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:26 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour < > netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: > >> >> >> Gaza >> >> https://youtu.be/Yda-c_4agZA (saz) >> >> it's impossible to comprehend what is occurring in Gaza, >> impossible to think through the violence and destruction, >> through the continuous cruelty. we don't think clearly, >> perhaps not at all, impossible but occurring, absent here >> but there, but continuous, but incessant, what is to come >> everywhere our abject fear, our fear is safe _here,_ it >> is our fear to own from _this_ distance, this safety. >> we did years ago have ongoing discussions on email lists >> set up for that purpose, war, violence, testimony. now we >> have our _safe nightmares_ as cruelty spreads everywhere. >> perhaps everything falls short of weeping, of our safety >> here, perhaps not. inside we were napalm not real here >> we are irreal bombardment, accounts, disasters, bodies, >> limbs, massacres, children, infants, so many civilians, >> we have the duty here now of _thinking inconceivability_ >> to respond with art, music, writings, analyses, otherwise >> than _there,_ in different words _here_ and not _there,_ >> the safety of the aporia, the moment of the trench >> adjacent to the cusp. i contribute this long-necked saz >> piece, i am useless, we watch the war inside of us, we >> survive in the safety, for now, of our bodies, our minds >> elsewhere, no where at all, the world inconceivable, lost >> >> it'simpossibletocomprehendwhatisoccurringinGaza, >> impossibletothinkthroughtheviolenceanddestruction, >> throughthecontinuouscruelty.wedon'tthinkclearly, >> perhapsnotatall,impossiblebutoccurring,absenthere >> butthere,butcontinuous,butincessant,whatistocome >> everywhereourabjectfear,ourfearissafe_here,_it >> isourfeartoownfrom_this_distance,thissafety. >> wedidyearsagohaveongoingdiscussionsonemaillists >> setupforthatpurpose,war,violence,testimony.nowwe >> haveour_safenightmares_ascrueltyspreadseverywhere. >> perhapseverythingfallsshortofweeping,ofoursafety >> here,perhapsnot.insidewewerenapalmnotrealhere >> weareirrealbombardment,accounts,disasters,bodies, >> limbs,massacres,children,infants,somanycivilians, >> wehavethedutyherenowof_thinkinginconceivability_ >> torespondwithart,music,writings,analyses,otherwise >> than_there,_indifferentwords_here_andnot_there,_ >> thesafetyoftheaporia,themomentofthetrench >> adjacenttothecusp.icontributethislong-neckedsaz >> piece,iamuseless,wewatchthewarinsideofus,we >> surviveinthesafety,fornow,ofourbodies,ourminds >> elsewhere,nowhereatall,theworldinconceivable,lost >> */the hurry/* >> >> ___ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > -- > ----- |(*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#)| --- > http://paulhertz.net/ > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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