Hi Pei, Very interesting - much thanks for the discussion. Will follow the project...
chat soon. marc > Dear Marc, > > I learned much from your post also now, started my side of research on the > grass root of whom have been adopting the term DIWO --- here are my findings > .. > > The term DIWO currently used by organizations or projects: > >> foam : http://fo.am/crafting >> medialab-prado : http://medialab-prado.es/article/interactivos10_proyectos >> furtherfield : http://www.http.uk.net/docs/exhib12/exhibitions12.shtml : >> http://www.http.uk.net/diwodarkmountain : >> http://vagueterrain.net/journal11/furtherfield/01 >> playaround : http://2010.playaround.cc >> SGMK : >> http://www.degem.de/news/749-zuerich-sgmk-newsletter-fruehjahr-2010.html >> ZACH LIEBERMAN: "DIWO is the new DIY" : >> http://www.channels.com/episodes/show/10455069/GREG-LEUCH-Shaved-Bieber : >> http://rockmeamadeo.com/tag/zach-lieberman/ >> >> >> > DIWO, homogeneous teams and plans: > > >> http://lab.tintarts.org/ >> http://linz.linuxwochen.at/ >> http://www.baltanlaboratories.org/?p=1627#more-1627 >> >> >> DIWO independent film and organisation ： >> http://www.indiegogo.com/ >> http://www.filmindependent.org/content/find-case-study-children-invention >> > > > the line of exploration would go further, > if you find anything, pls share with me, tks, gooday! > > pei > > > > > > On 6 Jul 2010, at 14:19:000, marc garrett wrote: > > >> Hi Pei, >> >> Thank you for taking the time to discuss about 'DIWO'. >> >> Firstly, I would like to say that I think your project is excellent, it >> offers much value and is shifting and moving in directions which are >> incorporating agency and independent, creative thought and breaking through >> traditional concepts of learning and knowing; much needed in our world of >> over-mediated, mono-cultural dominated, top-down noise. >> >> >>> certainly I do not ask for your understanding >>> >> Of course, this may not matter to yourself particularly, but it matters to >> me. I feel it is essential, for the well being of our human psyches that we, >> as imaginative beings engage in exploring beyond the given protocols and >> mannerisms, that too often enslave our essential selves. I am also, >> interested in how people share ideas and progress through the activity of >> independent and scale free situations, in respect of how they (or we) become >> more empowered through each other's crossing over of different values and >> (socially constructed) cultures, or national identities and beyond. Seeing >> others and respecting their context(s) is, one of the most valuable gifts >> anyone can receive from another being, whether this be from one or many. In >> fact, you could say that I have made it my life's work to see other's and >> breath in, other people's imaginative journeys and witness their >> engagements, explorations and developments with (hopefully) an open mind. >> >> Like most of our projects, they come about through real experience. Not from >> academia, even though to accommodate and appreciate intellectual stimuli and >> contextual reasoning, it is important to read and understand other people's >> minds and their own journeys. But, we have grown as an independent arts, >> collective since 1997, and have not asked to be referenced by academics who >> have been writing about certain aspects of media art and technologically >> used, culture, because we have never been part of an institution, like so >> many of these individuals were and still are. We did this all off our own >> backs - with others - developing gradually, without the support of the more >> 'official' art, technology historians and theorists' recommendations. Even >> though, we have known that we have answered many of the questions asked >> around art and networked communities through the years, with our shared >> practice. For instance, I taught myself technology in the late >> eighties/early nineties - hacking phones, transmitting into car radios, >> exhibiting in subways, running pirate radio stations etc, and running art, >> anarchist BBS Systems before the Internet. So what I am saying here, is that >> my decision in not going the traditional route is all part of what >> furtherfield is now, along with others who have shared in building something >> that we feel is special, it is not built on privilege but hard work and >> critical learning, and it has been tough. Because unlike many of our peers >> in the say 'net.art' world, we have never believed in the notion of a >> singular, modernist conception of genius or have followed the trappings of >> trying to be famous. We have always wanted something more substantial and >> inclusive, rather than the trivial action of getting known and shutting the >> door to others afterwards. It is only in the recent years that we are >> beginning to recognized and respected for our 'complex' engagement and >> different approaches towards, life, communities, social contexts. >> >> >>> BTW, even tho furtherfield made a milestone exhibition back in 2007, >>> i still think DIWO is a common phrase, just like Italo Calvino's great >>> title "invisible city" ... has already became a common phrase by its >>> often usages in many albums, art project world wide and transformed >>> into a sharable concept, some projects did referred to Calvino's book, >>> some doesn't. why? I do not think it is because of laziness or disregard, >>> because it is a good title also a state of mind shared commonly !! You >>> can't authorize a state of mind, that be crazy! should human society >>> operate only on the credit of others credit? Has human history ever >>> credit correctly? (those are the questions of confusion in me, >>> certainly I do not ask for your understanding) >>> >> Our mutual conversation is based around some sense of understanding (or even >> some misunderstandings), and I would definitely want to understand and >> appreciate your context and reasonings in some way. Our dialogue is evidence >> that you may wish for some form of understanding, whether we agree with each >> other or not. If you read any of our texts you will notice that we never use >> the traditional terms that hegemonic art culture uses, such as innovative or >> the best artist, or genius, or milestone - for we feel that conforming to >> the 'Spectacle', of certain forms of language as a group, does not offer >> authenticity, or at least the potential of it. >> >> I agree that DIWO is now a common phrase, and I am proud that we have played >> some part in making it happen. We have accomplished something of value >> locally and internationally regarding the DIWO projects, and are glad that >> we have contributed in our own small way in bringing about DIWO as a term >> for alternative, creative practice for others to explore. >> >> D.I.W.O - (or Diwo's, or Diwo groups) Expanded from the original term known >> as D.I.Y. (Do It Yourself). D.I.W.O 'Do It With Others'. Is more >> representative of contemporary, collaborative - art practice which explores >> through the creative process of using networks, in a collective manner. marc >> garrett (2006-11-08) >> http://www.furtherfield.org/rosalind/definitions.pl?id=127 >> >> We know John Hartley very well. One of the references you linked to is by >> John, called - ‘The Future is an Open Future.’ Cultural Studies at the End >> of the ‘Long Twentieth Century’ and the Beginning of the ‘Chinese Century.’ >> We have been working with John Hartley on various projects and discuss ideas >> regularly. I remember reading this article when it was first put online, and >> wondered why, when using the term DIWO, that he did not mentioning our own >> explorations on the collaborative term? And I suspect, even though 'he knew' >> that we had brought about the term DIWO, he also felt it should be a common >> phrase. I do appreciate this. But, the issue here is not about the shallow >> need of whether one is referenced by another, it is more about respecting a >> grass-roots culture and recognizing its 'real' and active hard-worked >> contribution, sharing this information with others, contextually. >> Grass-roots groups do have the same frameworks and mechanisms in place to >> protect their discovered identities, successes and failures. Writing about >> all this stuff of course is, much easier than doing it in real life. If >> certain academics actually new (in their hearts and souls) how much of our >> lives is spent in making these valuable experiences and shared realizations >> happen, I think we'd all be in a better place right now. >> >> >>> should human society operate only on the credit of others credit? Has human >>> history ever credit correctly? >>> >> Very good questions. I feel that 'credit' as a word really does not really >> get anywhere close in explaining the actual dichotomy and its relational >> nuances, of what we are currently engaged with here. I think that it is much >> more interesting and also very complex. >> >> Unlike, most 'creative industry' orientated endeavors. Instead of falling >> into trad-art behaviours and neo-liberal banality, we have chosen to take >> risks and spent much of our time in building on our own shared contexts, >> bringing about social change, new or alternative meanings which are not so >> processed. We have built this, through constant communication from the >> bottom up. Spending many years so that our lives are not shadows of other >> people's ideas - they are lived out negotiations reflecting upon each others >> dialogues and creative spirits, and not interested in something so vapid or >> corporate, as social networking interfaces. But, from a position of >> engagement with 'real' people online and off line, in order to re-hack our >> socially engineered selves, mutually into something closer to what is worth >> more personally, than mere product. This is what makes such a thing as what >> we are discussing so important. We are not just discussing 'crediting' >> someone, we are discussing part of a group's mutually shared exploration, >> relating to actual community values. Yes, its messy, but that also makes it >> special, rather than it being mechanistic and efficient. >> >> This is also why it is essential for us to share such a dialogue as we are >> doing ourselves right now. Because, if I ignore your context and your >> community's nuances and reasonings, and just take from you and not >> acknowledge your message or imagination, then we as adventurous explorers in >> a world dominated by corporations who exploit us as resources themselves, >> will find it easier by 'default' to weaken our resolve, whilst we weaken >> each other's presence in the world. And when something is taken without the >> story of how it came about, we are merely diluted and more easily packaged >> and pushed out of the picture. This happens too much in history, we all know >> this. >> >> So, DIWO is not a product, it is not there for reasons such as >> 'accreditation', but about something more authentic in its spirit. It's a >> 'story' of how shared, mutual experiences have come about, which will >> hopefully inspire others and help in making our engagement with others more >> special in some way. >> Have a great time with your project. I'm on your side - wishing you much >> respect. >> >> marc >> >> >> >> Pei wrote: >> >>> Dear Marc Garrett, cc playaround-dev list, >>> >>> greeting, >>> >>> I am one of the co-organiser of playaround 2010 Workshop, my name is Liu, >>> Pei-Wen or simply pei, your post on NetBehaviour mailing list caught my >>> attention, in which concerning playaround10 used the term DIWO without >>> contacting furtherfield because your post believed furtherfield invented >>> this term with a milestone exhibition back to 2007 in UK. (which i knew >>> about it much much later) and pls allowed me to skip historical references >>> in this post. >>> >>> Do not worry, you ain't a pain, but brought up some good points for >>> positive discussion, about the relationship of an co-operative concept, or >>> the forming of a collective concept one would say, in a broader sense, if >>> you agree, a contemporary concept is never a closest packed, that's why >>> playaround promoted CC shared-alike, DIY, DIWO, and an approach of FLOSS. >>> When we were in needs of composing the subtitle earlier this year, the TERM >>> "DIWO" was inspired from Zach Libermann's preface for Japanese version of >>> the book "Beyond Interaction" that Escher Tsai (another co-organiser of >>> playaround) translated into Mandarin, and the following term "Culture" was >>> inspired from another co-organiser of playaround - Marc Dusseiller's last >>> year workshop - hackteria.org; DIY microscope taught me that the contents >>> of petri dish is also called "culture" in english, before and after my >>> prompted idea announced on playaround-dev list, I never thought of who is >>> the inventor of this term, i thought it should be a common phrase, just >>> like FYI ...BTW, even tho furtherfield made a milestone exhibition back in >>> 2007, i still think DIWO is a common phrase, just like Italo Calvino's >>> great title "invisible city" ... has already became a common phrase by its >>> often usages in many albums, art project world wide and transformed into a >>> sharable concept, some projects did referred to Calvino's book, some >>> doesn't. why? I do not think it is because of laziness or disregard, >>> because it is a good title also a state of mind shared commonly !! You >>> can't authorize a state of mind, that be crazy! should human society >>> operate only on the credit of others credit? Has human history ever credit >>> correctly? (those are the questions of confusion in me, certainly I do not >>> ask for your understanding) >>> >>> But I certainly agreed with you that playaround said very little about >>> "DIWO Culture" on our website, DIWO Culture is the English subtitle, or >>> 文化培養皿 in Mandarin, I did not use the term DIWO in our mandarin subtitle >>> after discussion with Escher, simply because it doesn't mean anything in >>> our language to be able to elaborate the concept we tried to convey, so >>> translating mandarin title back to english would be " Culture Petri Dish", >>> where an stimulating yet experimenting environment shared by creatures >>> within, where a culture is cultivated that corresponding to the believes of >>> DIWO as the method of workshop. >>> >>> Here I pasted short paragraph i wrote about DIWO Culture / 文化培養皿 to >>> illustrate the theme of playaround10, which also could be found on our >>> website ... http://2010.playaround.cc/spirits >>> >>> 2010 Theme - DIWO culture, each module is a smaller circle of the bigger >>> circle of playaround workshop, each has it unique culture, specific motifs >>> and potential of reconnecting to other circle. From Do-It-Yourself to >>> Do-It-With-Others; digital culture and art offer countless potentials to >>> connect shared interests among groups, this possibility has effecting how >>> we deal with daily routing and later, our needs. On the other hand, it >>> restructures the meaning of needs, and its by-product, twixt the >>> communication, and reinforce a physical realisation from an abstract >>> concept. Nevertheless, the most interesting emphasis of playaround workshop >>> is how to co-operate with others. >>> >>> In fact, furtherfield's DIWO exhibition was never in my scope, i enjoy this >>> coincident and happy to cycle it with cc shared-alike, any comments and >>> suggestions are more than appreciated. >>> >>> have a brighter summer day, > (ya, cited from Taiwanese film - A Brighter >>> Summer Day 1991 - by Edwards Yang) > >>> pei >>> >>> >>> http://2010.playaround.cc >>> www.little-object.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 Jul 2010, at 17:27:000, Chun Lee wrote: >>> >>> >>>> dear all: >>>> >>>> i have just read this message from the NetBehaviour list, which mentioned >>>> playaround, but not in a very nice way. i can see their point, and >>>> DO think that what ever influences we have drawn upon, they *needs* to be >>>> credited properly. >>>> >>>> i would advice either pei or escher writing to them as soon as possible. >>>> otherwise playaround would be at risk of been seen as something we >>>> had not intend for it to be. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> chun >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded message from marc garrett <[email protected]> >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> From: marc garrett <[email protected]> >>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] early >>>> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:36:11 +0100 >>>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) >>>> >>>> Hi Annie, >>>> >>>> yes, I will write to them. >>>> >>>> I do find it surprising that they have not contacted us, especially >>>> knowing that they have been influenced in some way, to use DIWO in a >>>> similar context. >>>> >>>> I am wondering if there is anyone on this list who know these people, or >>>> are part of the project 'playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital >>>> Environment Workshop – DIWO Culture (playaround10 – DIWO Culture).' >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ud73v6 ? >>>> >>>> Just typing diwo & furtherfield, or even 'DIWO' on its own in search >>>> engines brings many results of DIWO's origins, their research is much to >>>> be desired. >>>> >>>> marc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Marc >>>>> >>>>> I agree >>>>> it's ok but >>>>> you could write them anyway >>>>> >>>>> kisses >>>>> Annie >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, marc garrett >>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another groups using DIWO Term... >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> This post will be especially interesting those who have taken part in >>>>> our shared 'DIWO' (Do it with others) projects in the past. >>>>> >>>>> I have been noticing various groups/projects out there, who have been >>>>> using 'DIWO', as a contemporary form of sharing, collaborative, >>>>> collective practice for a little while now. >>>>> >>>>> This a recent project I have noticed, but no references to ourselves, >>>>> the inventors of the term & practice itself - oh well. I suppose >>>>> >>>> it's ok... >>>> >>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>>> wishing all well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop – >>>>> >>>> DIWO >>>> >>>>> Culture (playaround10 – DIWO Culture). >>>>> >>>>> "playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop >>>>> >>>> – DIWO >>>> >>>>> Culture;PlayAround10 is the third edition of an intensely >>>>> >>>> parallel and >>>> >>>>> collaborative workshop of mediating the creative use of FLOSS >>>>> (Free/Libre Open Source Software) and DIY practices to an audience of >>>>> young students and emerging artists of diverse backgrounds. It >>>>> >>>> combines >>>> >>>>> the knowledge creation and open distribution of new media >>>>> >>>> technologies >>>> >>>>> and contemporary art practices in a socially responsible and relevant >>>>> context." >>>>> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2ud73v6 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Documentation of Huis Clos / No Exit - On Translation >>>>> Video, reactions of the performers and the public, photos and the >>>>> >>>> performance protocol >>>> >>>>> http://bram.org/huisclos/ontranslation/indexfr.html >>>>> >>>>> Article IF NOT YOU NOT ME, ANNIE ABRAHAMS AND LIFE IN NETWORKS, >>>>> Maria Chatzichristodoulou in Digimag 54 May 2010 >>>>> http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1793 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>>> > > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
