Hi Chun Lee, Same here,
It would be great to hear more about your experiences on the project, from yourself, Pei or both. Perhaps a discussion on here, or a journal elsewhere (on furtherfield or a blog elsewhere), whatever feels right. chat soon. marc > Dear all: > > i am glad that the DIWO issue seems to have been resolved:) i will be willing > to share more of my experience with the playaround project, if > such opportunity comes up. else i am sure pei herslef would be happy to > present it more officially and hopefully open up more possibilities. > > till next time. > > cheers > > chun > > marc garrett said : > >> Hi all, >> >> I have posted a response to Pei's very interesting post which he >> originally sent to me personally. The group which Pei is part of, are >> pasting copies of the discussion on their own site here so I thought I >> might as well share the dialogue - >> http://2010.playaround.cc/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=16 - you can >> read other texts that may have been written by other collaborators from >> their end, also I believe. >> >> Anyway comment and share in the dialogue if you wish, it's all very >> interesting. >> >> wishing everyone well. >> >> marc >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Here is their project. >> >> playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop – DIWO >> Culture (playaround10 – DIWO Culture). >> >> "playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop – DIWO >> Culture;PlayAround10 is the third edition of an intensely parallel and >> collaborative workshop of mediating the creative use of FLOSS >> (Free/Libre Open Source Software) and DIY practices to an audience of >> young students and emerging artists of diverse backgrounds. It combines >> the knowledge creation and open distribution of new media technologies >> and contemporary art practices in a socially responsible and relevant >> context." >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2ud73v6 (external link) >> >> >> Hi Pei, >> >> Thank you for taking the time to discuss about 'DIWO'. >> >> Firstly, I would like to say that I think your project is excellent, it >> offers much value and is shifting and moving in directions which are >> incorporating agency and independent, creative thought and breaking >> through traditional concepts of learning and knowing; much needed in our >> world of over-mediated, mono-cultural dominated, top-down noise. >> >> >certainly I do not ask for your understanding >> >> Of course, this may not matter to yourself particularly, but it matters >> to me. I feel it is essential, for the well being of our human psyches >> that we, as imaginative beings engage in exploring beyond the given >> protocols and mannerisms, that too often enslave our essential selves. I >> am also, interested in how people share ideas and progress through the >> activity of independent and scale free situations, in respect of how >> they (or we) become more empowered through each other's crossing over of >> different values and (socially constructed) cultures, or national >> identities and beyond. Seeing others and respecting their context(s) is, >> one of the most valuable gifts anyone can receive from another being, >> whether this be from one or many. In fact, you could say that I have >> made it my life's work to see other's and breath in, other people's >> imaginative journeys and witness their engagements, explorations and >> developments with (hopefully) an open mind. >> >> Like most of our projects, they come about through real experience. Not >> from academia, even though to accommodate and appreciate intellectual >> stimuli and contextual reasoning, it is important to read and understand >> other people's minds and their own journeys. But, we have grown as an >> independent arts, collective since 1997, and have not asked to be >> referenced by academics who have been writing about certain aspects of >> media art and technologically used, culture, because we have never been >> part of an institution, like so many of these individuals were and still >> are. We did this all off our own backs - with others - developing >> gradually, without the support of the more 'official' art, technology >> historians and theorists' recommendations. Even though, we have known >> that we have answered many of the questions asked around art and >> networked communities through the years, with our shared practice. For >> instance, I taught myself technology in the late eighties/early nineties >> - hacking phones, transmitting into car radios, exhibiting in subways, >> running pirate radio stations etc, and running art, anarchist BBS >> Systems before the Internet. So what I am saying here, is that my >> decision in not going the traditional route is all part of what >> furtherfield is now, along with others who have shared in building >> something that we feel is special, it is not built on privilege but hard >> work and critical learning, and it has been tough. Because unlike many >> of our peers in the say 'net.art' world, we have never believed in the >> notion of a singular, modernist conception of genius or have followed >> the trappings of trying to be famous. We have always wanted something >> more substantial and inclusive, rather than the trivial action of >> getting known and shutting the door to others afterwards. It is only in >> the recent years that we are beginning to recognized and respected for >> our 'complex' engagement and different approaches towards, life, >> communities, social contexts. >> >> >BTW, even tho furtherfield made a milestone exhibition back in 2007, >> >i still think DIWO is a common phrase, just like Italo Calvino's great >> >title "invisible city" ... has already became a common phrase by its >> >often usages in many albums, art project world wide and transformed >> >into a sharable concept, some projects did referred to Calvino's book, >> >some doesn't. why? I do not think it is because of laziness or disregard, >> >because it is a good title also a state of mind shared commonly !! You >> >can't authorize a state of mind, that be crazy! should human society >> >operate only on the credit of others credit? Has human history ever >> >credit correctly? (those are the questions of confusion in me, >> >certainly I do not ask for your understanding) >> >> Our mutual conversation is based around some sense of understanding (or >> even some misunderstandings), and I would definitely want to understand >> and appreciate your context and reasonings in some way. Our dialogue is >> evidence that you may wish for some form of understanding, whether we >> agree with each other or not. If you read any of our texts you will >> notice that we never use the traditional terms that hegemonic art >> culture uses, such as innovative or the best artist, or genius, or >> milestone - for we feel that conforming to the 'Spectacle', of certain >> forms of language as a group, does not offer authenticity, or at least >> the potential of it. >> >> I agree that DIWO is now a common phrase, and I am proud that we have >> played some part in making it happen. We have accomplished something of >> value locally and internationally regarding the DIWO projects, and are >> glad that we have contributed in our own small way in bringing about >> DIWO as a term for alternative, creative practice for others to explore. >> >> D.I.W.O - (or Diwo's, or Diwo groups) Expanded from the original term >> known as D.I.Y. (Do It Yourself). D.I.W.O 'Do It With Others'. Is more >> representative of contemporary, collaborative - art practice which >> explores through the creative process of using networks, in a collective >> manner. marc garrett (2006-11-08) >> http://www.furtherfield.org/rosalind/definitions.pl?id=127 >> >> We know John Hartley very well. One of the references you linked to is >> by John, called - ‘The Future is an Open Future.’ Cultural Studies at >> the End of the ‘Long Twentieth Century’ and the Beginning of the >> ‘Chinese Century.’ We have been working with John Hartley on various >> projects and discuss ideas regularly. I remember reading this article >> when it was first put online, and wondered why, when using the term >> DIWO, that he did not mentioning our own explorations on the >> collaborative term? And I suspect, even though 'he knew' that we had >> brought about the term DIWO, he also felt it should be a common phrase. >> I do appreciate this. But, the issue here is not about the shallow need >> of whether one is referenced by another, it is more about respecting a >> grass-roots culture and recognizing its 'real' and active hard-worked >> contribution, sharing this information with others, contextually. >> Grass-roots groups do have the same frameworks and mechanisms in place >> to protect their discovered identities, successes and failures. Writing >> about all this stuff of course is, much easier than doing it in real >> life. If certain academics actually new (in their hearts and souls) how >> much of our lives is spent in making these valuable experiences and >> shared realizations happen, I think we'd all be in a better place right now. >> >> >should human society operate only on the credit of others credit? Has >> human history ever credit correctly? >> >> Very good questions. I feel that 'credit' as a word really does not >> really get anywhere close in explaining the actual dichotomy and its >> relational nuances, of what we are currently engaged with here. I think >> that it is much more interesting and also very complex. >> >> Unlike, most 'creative industry' orientated endeavors. Instead of >> falling into trad-art behaviours and neo-liberal banality, we have >> chosen to take risks and spent much of our time in building on our own >> shared contexts, bringing about social change, new or alternative >> meanings which are not so processed. We have built this, through >> constant communication from the bottom up. Spending many years so that >> our lives are not shadows of other people's ideas - they are lived out >> negotiations reflecting upon each others dialogues and creative spirits, >> and not interested in something so vapid or corporate, as social >> networking interfaces. But, from a position of engagement with 'real' >> people online and off line, in order to re-hack our socially engineered >> selves, mutually into something closer to what is worth more personally, >> than mere product. This is what makes such a thing as what we are >> discussing so important. We are not just discussing 'crediting' someone, >> we are discussing part of a group's mutually shared exploration, >> relating to actual community values. Yes, its messy, but that also makes >> it special, rather than it being mechanistic and efficient. >> >> This is also why it is essential for us to share such a dialogue as we >> are doing ourselves right now. Because, if I ignore your context and >> your community's nuances and reasonings, and just take from you and not >> acknowledge your message or imagination, then we as adventurous >> explorers in a world dominated by corporations who exploit us as >> resources themselves, will find it easier by 'default' to weaken our >> resolve, whilst we weaken each other's presence in the world. And when >> something is taken without the story of how it came about, we are merely >> diluted and more easily packaged and pushed out of the picture. This >> happens too much in history, we all know this. >> >> So, DIWO is not a product, it is not there for reasons such as >> 'accreditation', but about something more authentic in its spirit. It's >> a 'story' of how shared, mutual experiences have come about, which will >> hopefully inspire others and help in making our engagement with others >> more special in some way. >> Have a great time with your project. I'm on your side - wishing you much >> respect. >> >> marc >> >> >> >> Pei wrote: >> > Dear Marc Garrett, cc playaround-dev list, >> > >> > greeting, >> > >> > I am one of the co-organiser of playaround 2010 Workshop, my name is >> Liu, Pei-Wen or simply pei, your post on NetBehaviour mailing list >> caught my attention, in which concerning playaround10 used the term DIWO >> without contacting furtherfield because your post believed furtherfield >> invented this term with a milestone exhibition back to 2007 in UK. >> (which i knew about it much much later) and pls allowed me to skip >> historical references in this post. >> > >> > Do not worry, you ain't a pain, but brought up some good points for >> positive discussion, about the relationship of an co-operative concept, >> or the forming of a collective concept one would say, in a broader >> sense, if you agree, a contemporary concept is never a closest packed, >> that's why playaround promoted CC shared-alike, DIY, DIWO, and an >> approach of FLOSS. When we were in needs of composing the subtitle >> earlier this year, the TERM "DIWO" was inspired from Zach Libermann's >> preface for Japanese version of the book "Beyond Interaction" that >> Escher Tsai (another co-organiser of playaround) translated into >> Mandarin, and the following term "Culture" was inspired from another >> co-organiser of playaround - Marc Dusseiller's last year workshop - >> hackteria.org; DIY microscope taught me that the contents of petri dish >> is also called "culture" in english, before and after my prompted idea >> announced on playaround-dev list, I never thought of who is the inventor >> of this term, i thought it should be a common phrase, just like FYI >> ...BTW, even tho furtherfield made a milestone exhibition back in 2007, >> i still think DIWO is a common phrase, just like Italo Calvino's great >> title "invisible city" ... has already became a common phrase by its >> often usages in many albums, art project world wide and transformed into >> a sharable concept, some projects did referred to Calvino's book, some >> doesn't. why? I do not think it is because of laziness or disregard, >> because it is a good title also a state of mind shared commonly !! You >> can't authorize a state of mind, that be crazy! should human society >> operate only on the credit of others credit? Has human history ever >> credit correctly? (those are the questions of confusion in me, certainly >> I do not ask for your understanding) >> > >> > But I certainly agreed with you that playaround said very little >> about "DIWO Culture" on our website, DIWO Culture is the English >> subtitle, or 文化培養皿 in Mandarin, I did not use the term DIWO in our >> mandarin subtitle after discussion with Escher, simply because it >> doesn't mean anything in our language to be able to elaborate the >> concept we tried to convey, so translating mandarin title back to >> english would be " Culture Petri Dish", where an stimulating yet >> experimenting environment shared by creatures within, where a culture is >> cultivated that corresponding to the believes of DIWO as the method of >> workshop. >> > >> > Here I pasted short paragraph i wrote about DIWO Culture / 文化培養皿 >> to illustrate the theme of playaround10, which also could be found on >> our website ... http://2010.playaround.cc/spirits >> > >> > 2010 Theme - DIWO culture, each module is a smaller circle of the >> bigger circle of playaround workshop, each has it unique culture, >> specific motifs and potential of reconnecting to other circle. From >> Do-It-Yourself to Do-It-With-Others; digital culture and art offer >> countless potentials to connect shared interests among groups, this >> possibility has effecting how we deal with daily routing and later, our >> needs. On the other hand, it restructures the meaning of needs, and its >> by-product, twixt the communication, and reinforce a physical >> realisation from an abstract concept. Nevertheless, the most interesting >> emphasis of playaround workshop is how to co-operate with others. >> > >> > In fact, furtherfield's DIWO exhibition was never in my scope, i >> enjoy this coincident and happy to cycle it with cc shared-alike, any >> comments and suggestions are more than appreciated. >> > >> > have a brighter summer day, > (ya, cited from Taiwanese film - A >> Brighter Summer Day 1991 - by Edwards Yang) > >> > pei >> > >> > >> > http://2010.playaround.cc >> > www.little-object.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 5 Jul 2010, at 17:27:000, Chun Lee wrote: >> > >> >> dear all: >> >> >> >> i have just read this message from the NetBehaviour list, which >> mentioned playaround, but not in a very nice way. i can see their point, and >> >> DO think that what ever influences we have drawn upon, they *needs* >> to be credited properly. >> >> >> >> i would advice either pei or escher writing to them as soon as >> possible. otherwise playaround would be at risk of been seen as something we >> >> had not intend for it to be. >> >> >> >> cheers >> >> >> >> chun >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded message from marc garrett >> <[email protected]> ----- >> >> >> >> From: marc garrett <[email protected]> >> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] early >> >> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:36:11 +0100 >> >> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) >> >> >> >> Hi Annie, >> >> >> >> yes, I will write to them. >> >> >> >> I do find it surprising that they have not contacted us, especially >> >> knowing that they have been influenced in some way, to use DIWO in a >> >> similar context. >> >> >> >> I am wondering if there is anyone on this list who know these people, or >> >> are part of the project 'playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital >> >> Environment Workshop – DIWO Culture (playaround10 – DIWO Culture).' >> >> http://tinyurl.com/2ud73v6 ? >> >> >> >> Just typing diwo & furtherfield, or even 'DIWO' on its own in search >> >> engines brings many results of DIWO's origins, their research is much to >> >> be desired. >> >> >> >> marc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Marc >> >>> >> >>> I agree >> >>> it's ok but >> >>> you could write them anyway >> >>> >> >>> kisses >> >>> Annie >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, marc garrett >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Another groups using DIWO Term... >> >>> >> >>> Hi everyone, >> >>> >> >>> This post will be especially interesting those who have taken part in >> >>> our shared 'DIWO' (Do it with others) projects in the past. >> >>> >> >>> I have been noticing various groups/projects out there, who have been >> >>> using 'DIWO', as a contemporary form of sharing, collaborative, >> >>> collective practice for a little while now. >> >>> >> >>> This a recent project I have noticed, but no references to ourselves, >> >>> the inventors of the term & practice itself - oh well. I suppose >> >> it's ok... >> >>> Marc >> >>> >> >>> wishing all well. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop – >> >> DIWO >> >>> Culture (playaround10 – DIWO Culture). >> >>> >> >>> "playaround 2010 Electronic Art and Digital Environment Workshop >> >> – DIWO >> >>> Culture;PlayAround10 is the third edition of an intensely >> >> parallel and >> >>> collaborative workshop of mediating the creative use of FLOSS >> >>> (Free/Libre Open Source Software) and DIY practices to an audience of >> >>> young students and emerging artists of diverse backgrounds. It >> >> combines >> >>> the knowledge creation and open distribution of new media >> >> technologies >> >>> and contemporary art practices in a socially responsible and relevant >> >>> context." >> >>> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2ud73v6 >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Documentation of Huis Clos / No Exit - On Translation >> >>> Video, reactions of the performers and the public, photos and the >> >> performance protocol >> >>> http://bram.org/huisclos/ontranslation/indexfr.html >> >>> >> >>> Article IF NOT YOU NOT ME, ANNIE ABRAHAMS AND LIFE IN NETWORKS, >> >>> Maria Chatzichristodoulou in Digimag 54 May 2010 >> >>> http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1793 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
