Hi Simon, Helen & all, I think that we will have to measure how this all works out. If we get complaints from users on the list who receive 'literal' offensive coments by the Karen Blissett's we will discuss it here on the list about how to proceed.
Although, I think it is useful to remember, that we have experienced heated exchanges on here before and it has settled down afterwards. The difference being that it has always involved individuals before and not an anonomous group possessing one name. > Netbehaviour is a community. Communities exist and thrive when those within > the community share something important. That is quite special. Completely agree, as many who use this list and other furtherfield projects/platforms (hopefully) already know, we are extremely dedicated to our shared community and will fight for its existence, so to carry on being part of something we feel is quite special - especially when compared to more traditional art practices and organisations. There are many things we have actively not done, such as set up a system where artists have to pay to be part of something which I personally think is offensive and goes against our beliefs of free and sharing culture. I could go on about this one but will refrain ;-) Like yourself, we do not want to encourage Netbehaviour's demise. We have always sought different purposes than many of the other lists/platforms and always respected deeply (always will), those who have shared their time, ideas and projects within the lists context of mutual dialogue. This is reflected in most of the other work we do, and it has been tough not going for gold or fame, sticking to being developing deeper realtions with the neighbourhood or community rather than closing doors after us. This has meant that we have had to adapt our lives in ways which do not immediately relate to more acceptable structurs out there in the art world, but it's worth it. wishing you well. marc > Netbehaviour is a community. Communities exist and thrive when those within > the community share something important. That is quite special. Just as > removing something fundamental to a community's character can profoundly > alter its character, or even destroy it, so can adding something > inappropriate. Netbehaviour has always seemed a robust list mainly because > it is very relaxed (credit to Furtherfield). Some of the other lists we have > discussed were rather less so. I wouldn't want to see happen to Netbehaviour > what happened elsewhere. > > If we were to extend this thinking to traditional examples of communities > then the issues might become more concrete. What happens in urban > communities during periods of mass-migration, urban re-development or > yuppification? Communities can, during periods of acute change, experience > extreme stress and sometimes fail. We all probably want to believe we are > good at handling change, even embrace it, rejecting nimbyism and other > conservative reactions that seek to keep things the same. But in practice > are we all so good at accepting change - all the time? When is change good > or bad? Are we ever in the position to assess what is good or bad (none of > us can see into the future)? > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > [email protected] [email protected] > Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > Research Professor edinburgh college of art > http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts > http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > > >> From: Helen Sloan <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:17:38 +0100 >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me >> >> Hey Simon >> >> To allow multiple people to take on your own identity is an interesting and >> risky idea. It should not be discouraged especially in our current political >> climate. But my last post asked that it be done in a considered way. >> >> I share your cynicism which is why I sent a gentle email of caution; but I >> really don't think it is up to us to be so directive in our responses to why >> it is a bad idea. >> >> You make a good point about cost of downloads (which is why it's so sad that >> syndicate burnt out) but let everyone work it out for themselves. >> Netbehaviour beware and focus on YouTube etc. Or even better ResPublica.... >> >> Best >> Helen >> >> >> On 11/7/10 23:56, "Simon Biggs" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Spammer art was a pain when we all had dial up and slow connections. It cost >>> money as we paid for the minute (or MB). These days, for most of us, spam, >>> art or not, is more an annoyance than an injury. However, there are many >>> parts of the world who are still on capped, slow and pay per unit >>> connections. In that context it is potentially arrogant, even injurious, to >>> deluge people with data who weren't expecting it. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs >>> [email protected] [email protected] >>> Skype: simonbiggsuk >>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>> >>> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >>> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >>> >>> >>>> From: Helen Sloan <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:19:40 +0100 >>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me >>>> >>>> Dear Karens, >>>> >>>> I remember Integer, NN etc well and spent hours deleting their prolific >>>> contributions to listings some of which I looked at and others went >>>> unread. It¹s true that there was a mass exodus from Syndicate during that >>>> time which was a pity as it did good things and it never really recovered. >>>> Finally, I understood what was going on but felt a little sad as well. I¹m >>>> not up for a culture that¹s worth preserving eating itself. >>>> >>>> I¹m all for this activity in a way but why ( as happened in Syndicate¹s >>>> case) do it to ourselves? There must be much more of a statement to be made >>>> to do it in other contexts. In this respect, I really liked what Heath >>>> Bunting and Rachel Baker et al did with supermarkets at about the same time >>>> as these others. >>>> >>>> We¹re entering hard times and in my opinion we should be careful about the >>>> way we do these kinds of interventions now. >>>> >>>> But hey, you can tell me that I don¹t understand and I can take it. Just a >>>> thought. I look forward to hearing more from Karens but hope you don¹t >>>> implode. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Helen >>>> Helen Sloan >>>> SCAN >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/7/10 21:40, "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I absolutely agree that this is more interesting than the Mandiberg, and >>>>> for >>>>> much the same reasons. Certainly there's a wild unpredictability to the >>>>> ceding >>>>> of something so personal as an e mail address which in terms of *real* >>>>> consequences might play out much more creatively than the actually rather >>>>> measured, prescriptive & essentially conservative feel of the MM piece. >>>>> (There always seemed to be a continual *desperation* with him to be on top >>>>> of >>>>> the next new thing, even when the result in art terms was not all that >>>>> interesting. >>>>> However he was a good egg in that he voluntarily gave his time to running >>>>> an >>>>> excellent calls and opps list for several years & for that I am >>>>> grateful...) >>>>> cheers >>>>> michael >>>>> >>>>> --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Ruth Catlow <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> From: Ruth Catlow <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me >>>>>> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 5:46 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Great stuff so far Karen(s) and Marc and Michael and Alan, >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me Karen that you are likely to be closer to nn than to "the >>>>>> essential guide to mandiberg"... >>>>>> more anarcho-cyborg than the bureaucractic-art-twonk that is the >>>>>> over-surveyed subject of mandiberg's alter-ego; ) >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that's something to do with that fact that you are inviting people >>>>>> to >>>>>> join you by opening up your email. >>>>>> It is not "about" being multiple. >>>>>> It "is" being multiple. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have already told us a bit about your celebrity art parents. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you feel that you are following in their footsteps? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why have you issued this invitation to join you now? And why by email when >>>>>> everyone is so busy socialising in sites like Facebook and Twitter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: karen blissett <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:karen%20blissett%20%[email protected]%3e> > >>>>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> > <mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe>>> >>> h >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> > >>>>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> > <mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe>>> >>> h >>>>>> [email protected]%3e> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me >>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:37:15 +0100 >>>>>> >>>>>> So...yes please Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> perhaps the interview has already started. >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> Karen >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ruth Catlow >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Karen, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What an intriguing idea brimming with subversive potential; ) >>>>>>> I would like to join you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But before I "speak and act as you" I would like to "speak to you" to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> out more about you and why you have decided to to do this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How would you feel about a short interview here in the Netbehaviour list? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> very best things >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: karen blissett <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:karen%20blissett%20%[email protected]%3e> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> > <mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetb>>>> >>> e >>>>>>> [email protected]%3e> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: [NetBehaviour] Invitation to join me >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:43:24 +0100 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Friends. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please join me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Literally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to become more open and free, with a more distributed identity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if you would like to take a break from yourself and speak and act as >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> instead, please drop me a personal email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I trust you I will send you my password and you can start expressing >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't wait! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Karen Blissett >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >>> SC009201 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
