Dear Rob and Kiilo,
Apologies for the delayed response I was busy farming daemons (great notion Rob:) Of course it is my ambition to rise to a position where I trade in daemon-farm futures. Kiilo great to bring minsky and curtis into the fray thou I fear your references are a bit bulky for me to process in my current information-overloaded condition. Are you able/willing to summarise what they might offer to the development of a new currency for DIWO-Art? I saw the excellent Century of the Self series a couple of years ago but can't remember what bearing it might have on this discussion. Rob I found Doctorow's Whuffie both onomatopoeiac and picturesque: ) I was recently at the http://payingattention.org/ conference which proposed that attention was the fundamental, contemporary currency for the networked age. Without attention it is impossible to share information, develop knowledge, reputation/status or even the softer more ephemeral, warm, fuzzy social experiences. However at this conference Michel Bauwens from http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ talked about Open And Free P2P culture. One of the things he talked about was a third revolution in productivity from extrinsic (first slavery then modernist exchange of valued stuff) to intrinsic motivation....where the carrot and stick are replaced by removing impediments to productivity and achieving a perfect co-ordination of collective social need with individual will, purpose and capacity. So in this case perhaps the perfect alternative currency would be purely symbolic. The exchange of its tokens could then be seen as an act of pure and joyous absurdity. : ) Ruth From: Rob Myers <[email protected]> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Local DIWO currency Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:12:29 +0100 On 09/12/2010 07:14 PM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > > Now we just need to work out what we think we have to trade. I'm reminded of Cory Doctorow's whuffie (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Whuffie), which models a reputation economy. If art's an attention economy, we could trade attention Possibly I'm just saying this as my reviews would make me an attention capitalist. ;-) > Part of me feels that the energy that it takes to separate out the > potential value of any action (in the kinds of things we all do and > value) for transaction will be more than that the energy it takes to > produce the value (like Maxwell's Daemon fighting entropy). I like that comparison. Neoliberalism (a la Marc's mention the other day) is daemon farming... - Rob. _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour From: Tobias Hoffmann (kiilo) <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Local DIWO currency Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:14:27 +0200 i like this idea! the next crisis is coming for shure ... * reader steve keen http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/KeenAreWeItYetPaperFinal.pdf * and http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3908833/Adam_Curtis_-_The_century_of_the_self_-_BBC especially the last episode!! greets kiilo
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