@allan Same things go for Europe and maybe even more so for the UK
After WW2 and after receiving economic 'aid' the Marshall program, Europe was restyled in a neolib replica of american signature Resulting in the loss of its own specific mores i.e. on social experimental based economies viz. Marx/Lenin, Brecht/Weil and the influences of the French revolution and freethinkers like Baruch d'Espinoza Maybe in losing the war both from the Nazis and from its liberators, Europe struggled hard and is still struggling to overcome this defeat, intellectually, polito-economical and artistic Andy Warhol is a good example of a non european attitude towards the ethics of capitalized art, whereas In Europe there is a more distant relation with commodifying art. He uses art as a economical way to express its freedom in doing so art lost its a significant intrinsic value cf. Walter Benjamin's writings As such he started a trend later immitated and copied by European artists as well So class struggle changed it route from working class liberation towards a broader path: liberating middle class from its alleged dependance on financial governance both corporate and governemental In partying with both sides art made itself suspicious so to say; a toy for the nouveau rich and the political ignorant middle classes This has done no good for the love of the common people for everything art related, on the contrary it had provoked a enormous amount of hate and envy towards its merits In this situation people just stop distinguishing between the individual expression and the connection with its economical environment Julian Assange tries to break up also this very dilemma by demanding not only openness from governement and corporate power but also for openness from a broader and public audience Hence there is something to look forward, what was about time Best Andreas Maria Jacobs w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 11 Dec 2010, at 19:45, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What Chomsky said then is even truer today; in a way Mike Davis' > City of > Quartz with its analysis of enclaves/home owners' associations said it > all. > > I don't want to veer the discussion off-course, just point out that > it's > difficult to judge behavio(u)r from a distance. > > For example I personally like Warhol and found/find him much more of a > cultural disturbance, being here, than he might appear elsewhere. As > for > the rise in the art market and alliance w/ capital, I wouldn't blame > the > artists so much as the deep infrastructural changes that have > occurred in > both the US and Europe; before Soho's collapse, as prices started to > rise, > sales seemed mainly to be to Europeans. In the US the relative > collapse of > granting organizations to individual artists weeded out a lot of > subver- > sion - not to mention the usual attacks against Serrano, Mappelthorpe, > etc. But that is a long and complex story. > > - Alan > > On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Ana Vald?s wrote: > >> Your post touched me, Alan. I have several friends in NY and they >> are in >> dispair, they all voted for Obama not because they were democrats but >> because they wanted a real change. And now they discovered the >> system is so >> mighty it can reproduce itself and Obama is the continuity of Bush, >> not the >> opposite. >> I met Noam Chomsky first time 1984, I did a long interview with him >> for a >> large Swedish newespaper. We met in his tiny room at the MIT, he >> cooked >> Nicaraguan coffe in a Primus kitchen. He told me "Ana don't be >> naiv. The >> Democrats and the Republicans are the same party, with similar >> agendas and >> the politic class is ruthless in the both." >> Ana >> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> I don't want to justify attitudes in the US and can't speak for >> Rhizome >> for that matter but I do want to say that what's going on here - >> Wikileaks >> is not as important or violent as some of the other things going >> on. Some >> examples - Obama keeping the Bush onslaught on the Environmental >> Protection Agency in place; his backing the Bush tax cuts for >> the rich; >> the failure of health-care; the daily dose of ugly racism and >> ignorance >> from the heart of the Republican party; the increase in violent >> crime (at >> least here in NY) and increase in homelessness; the long soup >> kitchen >> lines; the arrogance of the rich and railroading of grass-roots >> organizations; the onslaught against immigration and "anchor >> babies"; the >> constant lies and viciousness of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and >> others; the >> constant war in Afghanistan and clandestine wars elsewhere; the >> ugliness >> of a Congress that can't even grant the 9/11 workers decent >> healthcare; >> the hatred of Muslims; the national debt creating an economy >> tottering on >> the brink of chaos; minor things like open season for bear >> hunting in New >> Jersey; the closing of firehouses and other basic care >> facilities in NYC; >> in other words, the unraveling of a fundamental social fabric >> that allows >> folks to think about things like Wikileaks; and this sort of >> news goes on >> daily. We're now 25th in education, 40th in infant mortality; >> way down in >> quality of life indices; 17th or 18th in terms of lifespan; >> highest by a >> factor of 2 or 3 in health-care costs; and so forth. I support >> Wikileaks >> and associated groups; but I worry about suicidal friends, ill >> friends, >> friends in despair more; and this is where a lot of my mental >> energy goes. >> This may not explain anything, but it's the best I can do. >> >> - Alan >> >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, marc garrett wrote: >> >>> Hi Andreas, >>> >>>> Subversion is not a political attitude, it is a way of life... >>> >>> Being a decent human being is considered either negative or a >> criminal >>> activity in itself. >>> >>> I have not noticed many art groups in the UK other than ourselves >> and >>> Mute, discussing all these issues as openly. >>> >>> Across the sea, Rhizome.org in America is 'silent' regarding the >>> wikileaks or student cuts around the world - I would of hoped the >>> individuals who run the platform would be brave enough to activate >> some >>> kind of dialogue around it. And I suppose, what it tells me is that, >>> they do not care enough to push these things into the public for >> mutual >>> dialogue. Yes, I know it may threaten funding, but we have the same >>> problems here. >>> >>> Next week live on Resonance fm, our last broadcast this year - we >> are >>> holding a minute silence 'live' on the radio to mourn the death of >>> education. >>> >>> All this stuff threatens the existence of furtherfield and the space >> we >>> have in London plus many projects we are involved in, most of them >>> socially engaged - and that's what the government wants to happen. >>> >>> And all those peer 'art' groups who do not openly challenge the >> powers >>> that be will be invested in, such as those similar to Rhizome.org >>> because they tow the line - and lets not forget that this is not >> just a >>> national issue, it is an international, neoliberlist attack on >>> humanities. And I will not 'ever' forgive those who have so >> conveniently >>> kept silent, when as others have at least tried to make real changes >> in >>> culture; deeper than promoting top-down artists and institutional >>> drone-art, and product and technologically determined (so called) >> art, >>> conveyor belt products. Techno-bling is boring, boring, boring, and >> shallow. >>> >>> We have already been warned to stop discussing the current crisis >>> regarding cuts and the neoliberlaist situation with our own >> community, >>> by friends who are well connected to others in power, who are >> watching >>> us - and it really feels strange and distressing to know that by >> openly >>> discussing this with you and others, that I may be risking the >> future of >>> our independent, creative and brilliant individuals and groups who >> are >>> part our networked communities... >>> >>> wishing you well. >>> >>> marc >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Shame on our justice systems and the prosecution of our idealistic >>> motivated youth, which are threatened all over the world by the >>> fillistines called judges >>>> >>>> More examples of injustice in our so called democracies: >>>> >>>> Hungary: >>>> >>>> Asisstence given by child birth at home, imprisoned until at least >>> January 2011 >>>> >>>> Source : chtodelat >>>> >>>> Us Chigaco >>>> >>>> Three young women accused of travelling to Palestine put on trial >> by >>> the FBI >>>> >>>> Source: hufftington post >>>> >>>> And so it goes on and on and on >>>> >>>> What is there to stop falling in a cynical state of mind and a >>> profound sadness about the failure of the human project? >>>> >>>> How to survive in a bitter and cold world without shared ethical >> and >>> moral principles ? >>>> >>>> I am deeply depressed by the current situation and can hardly >> believe >>> it will be better during my lifetime >>>> >>>> Liberators turn out to be ursurpators in the very end >>>> >>>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>>> >>>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com >>>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl >>>> >>>> On 11 Dec 2010, at 11:24, marc garrett >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Angles On Anonymous. >>>>> >>>>> "A number of readers are sending in links related to Anonymous, >> the >>>>> Internet phenomenon ??? don't call them a group ??? behind the >>> controversial >>>>> DDoS attacks on commercial entities that fail to support >> WikiLeaks. The >>>>> best insight into Anonymous comes from the Economist's Babbage >> blogger, >>>>> who hung out in one of their IRC channels >>>>> (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/12/more_wikileaks). >> Reader >>>>> nk497 points out that UK users looking to join Anonymous's DDoS >> army >>>>> should be aware they could face a jail term of up to two years >>>>> >>> (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/363523/wikileaks-protest-tool-could-c >> arry-two-year-jail-stretch); >>>>> simply downloading the LOIC software used in the DDoSing could >> suffice >>>>> to earn a conviction. One 16-year-old has been arrested >>>>> >>> (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/first-arrest-made-in-wikil >> eaks-revenge-attacks.ars) >>>>> in The Netherlands and is charged with participating in the DDoS. >> Reader >>>>> ancientribe sends in coverage of a claim by one security outfit >> that >>>>> several existing criminal botnets have joined forces >>>>> >>> (http://www.darkreading.com/database-security/167901020/security/attacks-br >> eaches/228800076/botnet-operators-set-to-join-operation-payback.html) >>>>> with Anonymous's Operation: Payback. And reader Stoobalou notes a >>>>> Thing.co.uk story on a manifesto of sorts >>>>> >>> (http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/12/10/who-are-anonymous-and-what-do-they-want/ >> ) >>>>> that purports to come from "ANON OPS," even though Anonymous >> disclaims >>>>> any central spokesperson or entity - press release here >>>>> (http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf) >> PDF." >>>>> From Slashdot.org >>>>> >>>>> wishing you well. >>>>> >>>>> marc >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >> >> >> == >> email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> webpage http://www.alansondheim.org >> music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/qv.txt >> == >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://anavaldes.wordpress.com >> http://passagenwerk.wordpress.com >> http://caravia.stumbleupon.com >> http://www.crusading.se >> Gondolgatan 2 l tr >> 12832 Skarpn?ck >> Sweden >> tel +468-943288 >> mobil 4670-3213370 >> >> >> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth >> with your >> eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will >> always long >> to return. >> ? 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