Maybe it is possible to lurk in offline communities too? Anonymity is one of the benefits of large scale urbanisation.
Best Simon On 03/05/2011 11:25, "list|marianne" <[email protected]> wrote: > You - and Helen - are absolutely right. > I think I was trying to tease out the difference between online/offline > communities in as much as online (such as here) you can be in/follow/listen > to the community (i.e. subscribed to the list) without showing yourself/be > known - an unknown neighbour, but neighbour nonetheless [neighbour is > probably the wrong term] Whereas in offline community you'll at least have > to be seen - go to the meeting, even if if you sit on the back row, > observing/listening, but saying nothing. > > Thanks for the links! > M > >> From: Simon Biggs <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 10:33:50 +0100 >> To: <[email protected]>, NetBehaviour for networked distributed >> creativity <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours - and the >> neighbourhood >> >> Helen just hit the proverbial nail. We do not speak of gated neighbourhoods >> but gated communities. It is because a particular neighbourhood is composed >> of self-selecting neighbours that it becomes a community. There are other >> examples. Ghettoes sometimes have these qualities - collective identity >> forged in and through adversity. However, the modern city is composed as >> less well defined social structures, due to the fragmentation of our culture >> into many sub-cultures (I'd argue that's a good thing). These sub-cultures >> are sometimes location-specific but generally are geographically dispersed. >> Community, in this situation, is not a function of neighbourhood, as Helen >> observes. Netbehaviour is (arguably) an exemplar of how communities are now >> forged in a networked world. As Marc and Ruth and other Netbehaviourists are >> aware, this form of emergent ontology within a social space in part defined >> by its networked mediality, is generating significant interest - whether it >> be the discussions we have here or on the Institute of Distributed >> Creativity list or in specific research projects, for example: >> >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> or >> http://side-creative.ncl.ac.uk/communities/symposium11/ >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 01/05/2011 18:49, "helen varley jamieson" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> but are they really "neighbours" if we've chosen them? there's a real >>> difference between "community" & "neighbourhood", that has to do with >>> choice. "loving thy neighbour" is more of a challenge because (like >>> family) the thing is that you don't have a choice about who they are ... >>> >>> h : ) >>> >>> On 1/05/11 6:26 PM, list|marianne wrote: >>>> And, then of course there's the concept of the "open neighbourhood", >>>> and the question of how "open" open is, when everyone -- truly >>>> everyone - is genuinely welcome or free to move in, potentially >>>> putting the established neighbourhood (aims, agendas, neighbourliness) >>>> at risk . Perhaps that is the thing about online neighbourhoods -- we >>>> select, to the extent we can and because we can, who our neighbours >>>> are. Returning to the fact that "loving thy neighbours" is a lot >>>> easier to do when you know (or chose) who your neighbours are. >>>> >>>> Love to all. >>>> M >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From: *list|marianne <[email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Sun, 01 May 2011 16:41:09 +0100 >>>> *To: *netbehaviour <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours >>>> - and the neighbourhood >>>> >>>> Hi Helen, >>>> I specifically wanted to do netbehaviour, as I've been hanging out >>>> here for a while and I'm interested in what it means to be here. It >>>> seems to be my kind of hood in many ways, but as Annie, said, I'm not >>>> really a neighbor, I'm not really in. (Which may be one very >>>> understandable reason why no-one but you has responded). >>>> So, at the moment the call is extended to different [actual and >>>> potential] neighbours as well. When I come to the point of actually >>>> visualising "the" neighbourhood, I'll need to make decisions. Will it >>>> be specifically this one, Or, one made up of those who chose to >>>> respond? Then, what would that mean? [Editing the neighbourhood! >>>> Letting it fail.] >>>> >>>> -- but, it's interesting. >>>> All best >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From: *helen varley jamieson <[email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *[email protected], NetBehaviour for networked >>>> distributed creativity <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Sun, 01 May 2011 17:12:38 +0200 >>>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Visualising the netbehaviour neighbours >>>> - and the neighbourhood >>>> >>>> hi marianne, >>>> i'm curious about what neighbourhood you are aiming to visualise; in >>>> the email you sent to this list, you specified the netbehaviour >>>> neighbourhood, but on the web site where you're posting the >>>> portraits, you don't mention netbehaviour; it's an open invitation >>>> to anyone who wants to be part of the neighbourhood. in that sense, >>>> the neighbourhood you're visualising will be a new & different one >>>> to the netbehaviour neighbourhood ... the neighbourhood of wherever >>>> your invitation has reached? (altho the netbehviour neighbourhood is >>>> indeed open to anyone who wants to be a part of it). >>>> >>>> neighbourhood is a really interesting concept to explore, since it's >>>> changing so much at the moment. we don't choose our neighbours & >>>> even if we don't interact with them a lot they can have a huge >>>> impact on our lives (& us on them ... ). >>>> >>>> h : ) >>>> >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> [email protected] >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> [email protected] >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > Simon Biggs [email protected] http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ [email protected] http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
