Dear Antonio and others, I think you ask a very simple question that opens up a box full of very complex problems. To not get stranded, I think its important to stress you are not talking about technological glitches (the scary, unwanted break from a technological flow), but glitch (as) art, which is derived from technologically-based glitch but since then has evolved into a more conceptually based art form and discourse. I would say glitch art is often employed to break the conventions that govern the publics expectations of a technology; it relays the publics perspective on a certain technology and shows what else is possible. In this sense, glitch art can also be described as a political or 'educating' act. But this is not always the case; glitch art is nothing new, it has many histories and genealogies. A lot of forms of glitch have become esthetic styles; Glitch art has grown, maybe paradoxically into a popular discourse, with its own dialectics and conventions. As a style you can find it on MTV (not only in Kanye!), or knitted into your H&M clothes imported straight from the Bangladeshi labour factories. In the past I have tried to described a view of these glitch genealogies, some examples: from compression artifact to filter; from cd crack affect to sound effect; from circuitbend to simulation; from broken, voided technology to commoditized form. Thus glitch art can be defined following its roots in technological, but also in conceptual, political or esthetical grounds. These are by no means closed-off categories, and as much as they spill over into each other, they also leak into ... some kind of glitch nihilism. About public art. Public art is made for a public, so its meant to attract, at least to a certain extent. This means that there has to be a tradeoff between this glitchy-mess (the scary, uncanny, unwanted technology) and its attract-ability (both physically and mentally). Which leaves me to believe that your question is a personal one; how far along the sliding scale do you want or can you take glitch art? And when you finally make it to the public space, will the work, although it originated from glitch, still identify as a work of glitch? When do you as an artist or as a public find it more interesting to call the work something else? The trade off is between how big of a public you want (or in the case of your denied proposal) can attract and how far, or why, you, as a glitch artist, are willing to slide down the slippery scale. In my opinion, glitch esthetics has already permeated popular culture and is therefor not rare in the public (art) sphere. I am not a purist by any means but my preference in glitch art lies in work that educates, that opens perspectives or technologies and that surprises me. The growing perversion of transgression through glitch in technology, the mystification of the glitch and the glitch esthetics as an "ultimate" accessory of the public sphere has for many reasons not my preference. However, I see them as the other side of the coin and a definite part of (glitch)society - its part of a "modern collective identity" that I want part-take in, to be able to consciously reflect upon. However at this time, it was also one of the reasons for me to decline my invitation to the bus-stops project. Warmly, Rosa ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ -- .- -.-- / - .... . / -... --- - ... / .-.. --- --- -.- / --- ...- . .-. / ..- ... ЯOSΛ MEИKMΛN▓██▓▒▒▒▒ ▒▒ ▒▒ ░ ░ ░ http://rosa-menkman.blogspot.com The Glitch moment/um GLI.TC/H ▓██▓▒▒▒▒ ▒▒ ▒▒ ░ ░ ░ > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +0100 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public? > > I think Bob has a point. It's when technology works we shold > understand it, but when it doesn't work then we don't need to > understand and can ignore it. That it doesn't work is rather the same > as saying that we don't understand it, and that it works is the same > as saying we understand it. Actually, whether something works or > doesn't work is all fine, the problem is when it changes, that > something that worked before stops to work, or something that was > broken suddenly starts to work, boy, that's when we need > understanding! When it comes to glitch the thing seems to be that it > works when it doesn't work - but doesn't that also mean that it > doesn't work when it works? If you make a working thing out of glitch, > I don't know if it still is glitch - maybe it's pseudo-glitch? What is > true glitch then? Like here, a faulty argument for instance, something > that upsets the correct flow of logic or information - 'correct' > meaning expected maybe. Currently we don't understand quantum > mechanics properly, it doesn't mean it's a glitch, it's rather our > understanding that must be considered a glitch - glitch understanding > breaks reality - but is reality really broken? > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Pall Thayer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bob, > > > > As James points out, all's fine as long as technology works the way > > it's supposed to. Then you don't need to understand how it works. > > Glitch art breaks technology. > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Haha but you might want to engage when for whatever reason your water > >> supply ceases! We had a power cut yesterday and were reminded just how > >> much we do that requires electric that we take for granted. Without the > >> computer the obvious thing to do was to read a book but that's a little > >> difficult in the dark! > >> James > >> > >> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bob catchpole <[email protected]> > >> Sender: [email protected] > >> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:27:03 > >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > >> creativity<[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: bob catchpole <[email protected]>, > >> NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > >> <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > > -- > > ***************************** > > Pall Thayer > > artist > > http://pallthayer.dyndns.org > > ***************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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