I got a response from one of the people at the bus tops project that gave me this reply:
I asked: were there any comments made by the public re glitch art at Bus Tops? They responded: Not that I've been able to see no, but thousands saw it. There is a real disconnect between on and offline Not sure if the pun was intentional, but I think it's a fair point. On 7 March 2012 23:44, Antonio Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: >> Which leaves me to believe >> that your question is a personal one; how far along the sliding scale do you >> want or can you take glitch art? And when you finally make it to the public >> space, will the work, although it originated from glitch, still identify as >> a work of glitch? > Very good summary! My worry is that in order to a) make my work more > accessible b) reach a wider audience and c) not get rejected for so > many public art projects I have to - and I take no joy in saying this > - make my work dumber. > > A commenter on my blog suggested that if I keep doing this people will > eventually learn how to "read" glitch art. I can't remember which > essay I read it in, but someone argued that glitch will always be > slightly on the outside of art. For me it feels like their's two > options: Make my work dumber or endure a long hard battle to make the > public glitch artworks more accepted > > On 6 March 2012 16:27, Rosa Menkman <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Antonio and others, >> >> I think you ask a very simple question that opens up a box full of very >> complex problems. To not get stranded, I think its important to stress you >> are not talking about technological glitches (the scary, unwanted break from >> a technological flow), but glitch (as) art, which is derived from >> technologically-based glitch but since then has evolved into a more >> conceptually based art form and discourse. >> >> >> I would say glitch art is often employed to break the conventions that >> govern the publics expectations of a technology; it relays the publics >> perspective on a certain technology and shows what else is possible. In this >> sense, glitch art can also be described as a political or 'educating' act. >> >> But this is not always the case; glitch art is nothing new, it has many >> histories and genealogies. A lot of forms of glitch have become esthetic >> styles; Glitch art has grown, maybe paradoxically into a popular discourse, >> with its own dialectics and conventions. As a style you can find it on MTV >> (not only in Kanye!), or knitted into your H&M clothes imported straight >> from the Bangladeshi labour factories. >> >> In the past I have tried to described a view of these glitch genealogies, >> some examples: from compression artifact to filter; from cd crack affect to >> sound effect; from circuitbend to simulation; from broken, voided technology >> to commoditized form. >> >> Thus glitch art can be defined following its roots in technological, but >> also in conceptual, political or esthetical grounds. These are by no means >> closed-off categories, and as much as they spill over into each other, they >> also leak into ... some kind of glitch nihilism. >> >> >> >> About public art. Public art is made for a public, so its meant to attract, >> at least to a certain extent. This means that there has to be a tradeoff >> between this glitchy-mess (the scary, uncanny, unwanted technology) and its >> attract-ability (both physically and mentally). Which leaves me to believe >> that your question is a personal one; how far along the sliding scale do you >> want or can you take glitch art? And when you finally make it to the public >> space, will the work, although it originated from glitch, still identify as >> a work of glitch? When do you as an artist or as a public find it more >> interesting to call the work something else? >> >> The trade off is between how big of a public you want (or in the case of >> your denied proposal) can attract and how far, or why, you, as a glitch >> artist, are willing to slide down the slippery scale. >> >> >> In my opinion, glitch esthetics has already permeated popular culture and is >> therefor not rare in the public (art) sphere. I am not a purist by any means >> but my preference in glitch art lies in work that educates, that opens >> perspectives or technologies and that surprises me. >> >> The growing perversion of transgression through glitch in technology, the >> mystification of the glitch and the glitch esthetics as an "ultimate" >> accessory of the public sphere has for many reasons not my preference. >> However, I see them as the other side of the coin and a definite part of >> (glitch)society - its part of a "modern collective identity" that I want >> part-take in, to be able to consciously reflect upon. However at this time, >> it was also one of the reasons for me to decline my invitation to the >> bus-stops project. >> >> >> Warmly, >> >> Rosa >> >> >> >> >> ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ ⃝ >> >> >> -- .- -.-- / - .... . / -... --- - ... / .-.. --- --- -.- / --- ...- . .-. / >> ..- ... >> >> ЯOSΛ MEИKMΛN▓██▓▒▒▒▒ ▒▒ ▒▒ ░ ░ ░ >> >> http://rosa-menkman.blogspot.com >> >> The Glitch moment/um >> >> GLI.TC/H ▓██▓▒▒▒▒ ▒▒ ▒▒ ░ ░ ░ >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +0100 >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public? >>> >>> I think Bob has a point. It's when technology works we shold >>> understand it, but when it doesn't work then we don't need to >>> understand and can ignore it. That it doesn't work is rather the same >>> as saying that we don't understand it, and that it works is the same >>> as saying we understand it. Actually, whether something works or >>> doesn't work is all fine, the problem is when it changes, that >>> something that worked before stops to work, or something that was >>> broken suddenly starts to work, boy, that's when we need >>> understanding! When it comes to glitch the thing seems to be that it >>> works when it doesn't work - but doesn't that also mean that it >>> doesn't work when it works? If you make a working thing out of glitch, >>> I don't know if it still is glitch - maybe it's pseudo-glitch? What is >>> true glitch then? Like here, a faulty argument for instance, something >>> that upsets the correct flow of logic or information - 'correct' >>> meaning expected maybe. Currently we don't understand quantum >>> mechanics properly, it doesn't mean it's a glitch, it's rather our >>> understanding that must be considered a glitch - glitch understanding >>> breaks reality - but is reality really broken? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Pall Thayer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Bob, >>> > >>> > As James points out, all's fine as long as technology works the way >>> > it's supposed to. Then you don't need to understand how it works. >>> > Glitch art breaks technology. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Haha but you might want to engage when for whatever reason your water >>> >> supply ceases! We had a power cut yesterday and were reminded just how >>> >> much >>> >> we do that requires electric that we take for granted. Without the >>> >> computer >>> >> the obvious thing to do was to read a book but that's a little difficult >>> >> in >>> >> the dark! >>> >> James >>> >> >>> >> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: bob catchpole <[email protected]> >>> >> Sender: [email protected] >>> >> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:27:03 >>> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed >>> >> creativity<[email protected]> >>> >> Reply-To: bob catchpole <[email protected]>, >>> >> NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> >> <[email protected]> >>> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public? >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ***************************** >>> > Pall Thayer >>> > artist >>> > http://pallthayer.dyndns.org >>> > ***************************** >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NetBehaviour mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > -- > ============================ > [email protected] > http://www.hellocatfood.com > ============================ -- ============================ [email protected] http://www.hellocatfood.com ============================ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
