We do this...

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013, isabel brison wrote:

A recipe for action:

1. stop buying meat
2. tell everyone you know to stop buying meat until you have no friends left

Activism in this area tends to make people unpopular.

It has to be talked about though; it is not a niche issue as it concerns
food - which is essential for everyone - and markets - which more or less
dictate the rules for our lives nowadays.







On 17 March 2013 12:32, Simon Mclennan <[email protected]> wrote:
      The male chicks go
      into the grinder alive
      this is normal
      in the American
      meat industry

      its a big screw
      that moves the 'product'
      through fine mesh
      to creat the pink
      slime
      you can fry

      Alan the distancing is self evident
      This distancing is layered on top of the existing distancing

      How we treat animals is a reflection of how we view, and relate
      to
      our world.

      The cows are jacked up with machines and men in white coats,
      ripped and broken while still alive
      as violent as any sadistic torture of a human by a human

      I'm so sorry

      Really worrying is the statute in America that makes it a
      federal
      crime of terrorism to make any
      action that interferes with the 'profits' of the meat and food
      industry - as you mentioned.

      I think we need to go into some of these practices in the meat
      industry..

      this way of thinking should be challenged.

      Mmm,

      got to make art that challenges this

      Good luck with the talk

      Simon





      I am with you on this
      On 16 Mar 2013, at 11:56, dave miller wrote:

      > "Certainly the digital, even augmented reality or Google
      Glass,
      > creates
      > distance between ourselves and the world around us; what's
      added
      > are bits.
      > This distancing, which is both clever and fast-forward
      technology-
      > driven,
      > may be more part of the problem than the solution"
      >
      > Hi Alan, your thoughts on AR are really great - I'd never
      considered
      > this - with AR we are augmenting with bits, but AR is also
      creating
      > distance between ourselves and reality. I think you're right,
      > especially when we think of the experience of headsets and
      goggles.
      >
      > dave
      >
      > On 16 March 2013 01:09, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]>
      wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >> Hi - Need help! I'm giving a panel talk at the Hastac
      Conference in
      >> Toronto, at the end of April; my proposal was as follows -
      >>
      >> "I'd like to do a full talk, dealing with What is to be Done,
      with
      >> issues
      >> of animal and plant extinctions, with degrees of
      hopelessness,
      >> with the
      >> mass Permian extinction, with images of escape in Second Life
      and
      >> elsewhere, with the damnation of technophilia and Google
      Glasses.
      >> I would
      >> talk from notes and project, not read a paper (I never write
      >> papers to
      >> read), but could turn the notes in later of course. This is a
      >> theme I've
      >> been harping on more and more - how to deal with absolute
      despair
      >> and the
      >> despair of the absolute."
      >>
      >> I've written out (most of) an outline below, and would
      appreciate any
      >> comments you might have. I realize my naivete in relation to
      the
      >> subject,
      >> and I'm trying to get away from just "gut feelings" and say
      something
      >> useful, with some sort of clarity. Please send me any
      thoughts;
      >> you can
      >> write me back-channel (what an old expression!) and thanks,
      >>
      >> - Alan
      >>
      >> =================================
      >>
      >> a. I am no expert in plant and animal extinctions; things
      seem
      >> complex on
      >> the level of the species, and here I deeply find myself at a
      loss;
      >> there
      >> are too many contradictory statistics for a layperson to
      >> disentangle, not
      >> the least of which is the definition of 'species' (for
      example,
      >> there are
      >> subspecies, morphs, etc.), and species' interrelationships.
      >>
      >> a.1. I am also no expert in bio-ethics or ethics in general.
      I do
      >> believe
      >> that the habitus, biome, communality, are more important than
      >> individual
      >> saves which take on symbolic status and often lead nowhere. I
      don't
      >> believe in instrumentalist arguments, that the natural should
      be
      >> saved by
      >> virtue of its use-value (say, for 'new medications'); I don't
      >> think any
      >> functionalist reason plays out in the long run. I think
      species
      >> should be
      >> saved because _they are there._
      >>
      >> a.1.a. The problem with symbolic value is that the most
      attractive
      >> or cute
      >> species (in terms of human perception) are often the ones
      that are
      >> saved
      >> and considered valuable, while other species that are less
      >> appealing are
      >> left by the wayside.
      >>
      >> b. There are three economies: political, financial,
      attention;
      >> each of
      >> these vies in terms of saving species or biomes.
      >>
      >> c. Every species has an equally lengthy holarchic history
      (including
      >> bacteria, mitochondria, etc.); each history is a sign and
      organism
      >> resonant with the origin of life itself.
      >>
      >> d. Each organism has its own world-view, Umwelt,
      Weltanschauung.
      >> Each is
      >> alterity and project to every other. Each possesses
      individual and
      >> communal culture. Each participates in negation and learning.
      >>
      >> e. Each is driven to extinction by the other. Each other
      collapses
      >> into
      >> either grotesque anomaly (asteroid, volcano) or the human,
      >> somewhere along
      >> the line.
      >>
      >> f. Each is a projection and introjection of the world; each
      is
      >> immersive,
      >> each is entangled, abject, somewhat definable.
      >>
      >> g. The extinction of any species is a permanent and
      irrevocable
      >> loss; the
      >> death of any individual is the same. Histories condense and
      disperse,
      >> homes disappear, the world flattens.
      >>
      >> h. Our era is not a repetition, say, of the Permian
      extinctions;
      >> it is
      >> other, it is slaughter, and it brings pain from one species
      to
      >> many. The
      >> death of an adult reproducer is the death of offspring, who
      may or
      >> may not
      >> have already made their way into the world.
      >>
      >> i. Our language betrays us: there are no weeds, no vermin. We
      >> define the
      >> world in terms of our desires and their negations.
      >>
      >> j. We are defined by our slaughters. We are hopeless, driven
      to
      >> the deaths
      >> of others; the death drive literally drives species, herds,
      >> hordes, before
      >> it; the death drive results in total annihilation.
      >>
      >> k. What is to be done? I am always surprised how few artists
      are
      >> concerned
      >> about the environment - other than creating networks and new
      forms of
      >> nodes and dwellings within it. How few media artists even
      bother
      >> with PETA
      >> for example, or conservation. How many artists, driven by
      >> teleology, are
      >> always already on the hunt for new forms of mappings, new
      modes of
      >> data
      >> analytics.  How we abjure responsibility, disconnect
      radically.
      >> How we
      >> favor the human over other species.
      >>
      >> l. Certainly the digital, even augmented reality or Google
      Glass,
      >> creates
      >> distance between ourselves and the world around us; what's
      added
      >> are bits.
      >> This distancing, which is both clever and fast-forward
      technology-
      >> driven,
      >> may be more part of the problem than the solution. I think of
      >> 'Internet
      >> hunting' for example, tv/video programs like Survivor or The
      Great
      >> Race
      >> (both of which can only damage pristine environments), etc.;
      on
      >> the other
      >> hand, bird-, nest- and waterhole-watches might well serve to
      awaken
      >> people's consciousness.
      >>
      >> m. How do we handle this on a personal level? If we're driven
      to
      >> catatonia, we're doomed. I haven't been able to accept the
      Buddhist
      >> account of suffering and enlightenment; the result is an
      almost
      >> constant
      >> state of anguish, that is to say a condition that is a
      combination of
      >> Lyotard's differend, a sense of helplessness, and a sense of
      the
      >> destruction of worlds.
      >>
      >>
      >> =======================================
      >>
      >> [Quote below from World Wildlife Federation]
      >>
      >> WWF:
      >>
      >> Just to illustrate the degree of biodiversity loss we're
      facing,
      >> let.s
      >> take you through one scientific analysis... The rapid loss of
      >> species we
      >> are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000
      and
      >> 10,000
      >> times higher than the natural extinction rate.* These experts
      >> calculate
      >> that between 0.01 and 0.1% of all species will become extinct
      each
      >> year.
      >> If the low estimate of the number of species out there is
      true -
      >> i.e. that
      >> there are around 2 million different species on our planet**
      -
      >> then that
      >> means between 200 and 2,000 extinctions occur every year. But
      if
      >> the upper
      >> estimate of species numbers is true - that there are 100
      million
      >> different
      >> species co-existing with us on our planet - then between
      10,000 and
      >> 100,000 species are becoming extinct each year.
      >>
      >> *Experts actually call this natural extinction rate the
      background
      >> extinction rate. This simply means the rate of species
      extinctions
      >> that
      >> would occur if we humans were not around.
      >>
      >> ** Between 1.4 and 1.8 million species have already been
      >> scientifically
      >> identified.
      >>
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