What I was trying to say it that Tor network operates on a principle not unlike 
the (earlier described) method of La Cosa Nostra. 
Both have their good use in situations similar (or identical) to those 
described at the beginning of the Gurstein's article. 

Hope it's clearer now. 

Cheers, 
rad0van. 

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> From: "michael gurstein" <[email protected]>
> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, 5 October, 2013 11:39:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] FW: Blogpost: "Snowden isn't just about
> Surveillance. It is much, Much, MUCH worse...

> Sorry, both of the comments below are a wee bit too obscure for me…

> M

> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Radovan Misovic
> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:26 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] FW: Blogpost: "Snowden isn't just about
> Surveillance. It is much, Much, MUCH worse...

> Historical analogy on Tor network.

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> ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Bezdomny" < [email protected] >
> 
> > To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" <
> > [email protected] >
> 
> > Sent: Friday, 4 October, 2013 6:47:04 AM
> 
> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] FW: Blogpost: "Snowden isn't just about
> > Surveillance. It is much, Much, MUCH worse...
> 

> > La Cosa Nostra has distributed commands anonymously for over a century
> > using
> > little slips of paper delivered hand-to-hand via innumerable
> > intermediaries.
> 

> > On Oct 3, 2013 6:34 PM, "michael gurstein" < [email protected] > wrote:
> 

> > Precisely what "fiddling" they are actually doing (apart from the
> > enormously
> 
> > revealing Stuxnet) isn't clear (yet?), but that they are in principle able
> 
> > to do pretty much anything they want in intervening in the bitstream is I
> 
> > think quite evident. My guess would be that a lot of various types of
> 
> > intervention is still quite labour intensive but I would be very surprised
> 
> > if they weren't working on useable tools.
> 

> > M
> 

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