Hi Roger, Patrick, Could you please provide the link or attachment again to Patrick’s ISEA paper re embodiment in virtual performance and neurological research in this field. This is something that I am working on a great deal at the moment and would be very interested to read the paper but couldn’t see the link in Roger’s reply.
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Re: Phantom Limbs (Alan Sondheim) > 6. the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image (Alan Sondheim) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:34:18 +0000 > From: furtherfield <[email protected]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <[email protected]> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Painting with Data: A Conversation with Lev > Manovich > Message-ID: > <CAOVnVUqxXab1L0s3_ik4rYaaRfiL=lqggaz1euvwjgt0yxs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Painting with Data: A Conversation with Lev Manovich > > By Randall Packer. > > While big data has infiltrated our everyday lives, Lev Manovich and his > collaborators have explored the data of everyday life as a window on social > transformation. We discuss his latest work: The Exceptional and the > Everyday: 144 Hours in Kiev, a portrait of political upheaval in the > Ukraine constructed from thousands of Instagram photos taken over a six day > period during the revolution in February of 2014. > > http://www.furtherfield.org/features/interviews/painting-data-conversation-lev-manovich > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150224/7f9985d0/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:41:07 +0000 > From: James Morris <[email protected]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <[email protected]> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] necromancy > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > # Vandom # generator: > http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=frgng14-p1180363#C1424727360 > > # Too late: > http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=skbook_2006_0023#C1424809787 > > # Renegade materiality: > http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=frostypix#C1424810226 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:52:02 +0000 (UTC) > From: michael szpakowski <[email protected]> > To: NetBehaviour for Networked Distributed Creativity > <[email protected]> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] whereof one cannot speak > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16014793144/ > > > another sound piece, constructed from fairly eclectic sources....cheersmichael > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150224/46044dbb/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:18:29 +1100 > From: Roger Mills <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NetBehaviour] Phantom Limbs > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing your ISEA paper and revisiting this topic of > embodiment in virtual performance. I remember reading it at the time in 2011, > and had hoped I might bump into you there to discuss but we never crossed > paths. > > I completely concur with your synthesis of neurological research into an > understanding of virtual perception / cognition, particularly Ramachandran?s > proposition that ?neurons fire in sympathy with the observation of another > person?s action.? > > I would argue that this also extends to sound, which is an integral, if not > greater part of that same mirror through which we perceive and interpret > meaning. On this view, sonic characteristics such as timbre, rhythm, melody, > articulation in speech, music and other sound metaphorically enable the > meaning making process because we know what it is to make those sounds with > our voice or bodies. It is this idea of experiential metaphor that is also > elaborated in the work by Mark Johnson and George Lakoff on image schematic > experience, which I have previously proposed is useful to understanding > perception in networked or virtual environments. It is interesting to note > that Jonson and Lakoff also reference motor / mirror neuron research to > elaborate their embodied cognition thesis. > > With this in mind, I have often wondered why sound seems to play such a minor > role in these deliberations, particularly in staple literature such as > Massumi, Ascott et al (please point out if you or anyone feels i have missed > something here). This follows what I also find to be a somewhat > anachronistic, yet still pervasive notion of virtual space being perceived > objectively as a separate, somehow fluffy academic cosy space (cyberspace) > between dislocated bodies. > > In my mind cyberspace, or networked space as I prefer to think of it, is an > extension of physical spaces and the embodiment of those spaces by the social > actions that occur in them. This emerged quite strongly in my own case study > research of networked music performance (NMP), but perhaps it also has > something to do with a music or sound focussed medium as opposed to the > predominantly visual medium of virtual environments such as SL. > > Some of these questions might be discussed in the upcoming Art of Networked > Practice symposium, although I was hoping, (Randall aside) that there might > have been a panelist who could speak from a specific NMP practice and > research perspective. There are many such as Pauline Oliveros, Mara Helmuth, > Ken Fields for example that I think could contribute poignant ideas that > relate to many of these issues but IMHO are often overlooked by audiovisual > focussed telematics perspectives. > > In any event I enjoyed revisiting your paper and its contribution toward the > much needed 'epistemic arc' as you describe it ! > > Best wishes > Roger > > > ? > Roger Mills > > http://www.eartrumpet.org <http://www.eartrumpet.org/> > http://roger.netpraxis.net <http://roger.netpraxis.net/> > http://telesound.net <http://telesound.net/> > > "Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, Papua > New Guinea. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150225/b498fec4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:17:22 -0500 (EST) > From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Phantom Limbs > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > > Check out Auditory Neuroscience, Making Sense of Sound, Schnupp, Nelken, > and King, and Sonic Warfare, Sound, Affect, and The Ecology of Fear, both > MIT, if you haven't already - > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Roger Mills wrote: > >> Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing your ISEA paper and revisiting this topic of >> embodiment in virtual performance. I remember reading it at the time in >> 2011, and had hoped I might bump into you there to discuss but we never >> crossed paths. >> >> I completely concur with your synthesis of neurological research into an >> understanding of virtual perception / cognition, particularly Ramachandran?s >> proposition that ?neurons fire in sympathy with the observation of another >> person?s action.?? >> >> I would argue that this also extends to sound, which is an integral, if not >> greater part of that same mirror through which we perceive and interpret >> meaning. On this view, sonic characteristics such as timbre, rhythm, melody, >> articulation in speech, music and other sound metaphorically enable the >> meaning making process because we know what it is to make those sounds with >> our voice or bodies. It is this idea of experiential metaphor that is also >> elaborated in the work by Mark Johnson and George Lakoff on image schematic >> experience, which I have previously proposed is useful to understanding >> perception in networked or virtual environments. It is interesting to note >> that Jonson and Lakoff also reference motor / mirror neuron research to >> elaborate their embodied cognition thesis. >> >> With this in mind, I have often wondered why sound seems to play such a >> minor role in these deliberations, particularly in staple literature such as >> Massumi, Ascott et al (please point out if you or anyone feels i have missed >> something here). This follows what I also find to be a somewhat >> anachronistic, yet still pervasive notion of virtual space being perceived >> objectively as a separate, somehow fluffy academic cosy space (cyberspace) >> between dislocated bodies.? >> >> In my mind cyberspace, or networked space as I prefer to think of it, is an >> extension of physical spaces and the embodiment of those spaces by the >> social actions that occur in them. ?This emerged quite strongly in my own >> case study research of networked music performance (NMP), but perhaps it >> also has something to do with a music or sound focussed medium as opposed to >> the predominantly visual medium of virtual environments such as SL. >> >> Some of these questions might be discussed in the upcoming Art of Networked >> Practice symposium, although I was hoping, (Randall aside) that there might >> have been a panelist who could speak from a specific NMP practice and >> research perspective. There are many such as Pauline Oliveros, Mara Helmuth, >> Ken Fields for example that I think could contribute poignant ideas that >> relate to many of these issues but IMHO are often overlooked by audiovisual >> focussed telematics perspectives. >> >> In any event I enjoyed revisiting your paper and its contribution toward the >> much needed 'epistemic arc' as you describe it ! >> >> Best wishes >> Roger >> >> >> ? >> Roger Mills >> >> http://www.eartrumpet.org >> http://roger.netpraxis.net >> http://telesound.net >> >> "Knowledge is only rumour until it is in?the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, >> Papua?New Guinea. >> >> >> >> > > == > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tb.txt > == > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:03:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NetBehaviour] the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image > > http://www.alansondheim.org/accident.png > my friend was driving my car #1 i was away at the time > #1 by gesture-motion created two terrible pileups > http://www.alansondheim.org/sondl.mp4 > ten years or more ago at the experimental television > center, i transformed sound and gesture into image, > sound-image into gesture image now it seems to me this > face in this image talks and hands move wildly there > is a confrontation with darkness that shall never be > resolved > this is the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image > or the history of the annihilation of the same > at least nine ambulances > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > End of NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 2286, Issue 1 > *********************************************
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