you can find it in the list archives :) http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/20150220/033594.html
On 3/03/15 11:50 25AM, Gretta Louw wrote: > Hi Roger, Patrick, > > Could you please provide the link or attachment again to Patrick’s > ISEA paper re embodiment in virtual performance and neurological > research in this field. This is something that I am working on a great > deal at the moment and would be very interested to read the paper but > couldn’t see the link in Roger’s reply. > > Thank you! > > Gretta Louw > > > > > >> On 25 Feb 2015, at 13:00, [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Send NetBehaviour mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of NetBehaviour digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Painting with Data: A Conversation with Lev Manovich >> (furtherfield) >> 2. necromancy (James Morris) >> 3. whereof one cannot speak (michael szpakowski) >> 4. Phantom Limbs (Roger Mills) >> 5. Re: Phantom Limbs (Alan Sondheim) >> 6. the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image (Alan Sondheim) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:34:18 +0000 >> From: furtherfield <[email protected]> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NetBehaviour] Painting with Data: A Conversation with Lev >> Manovich >> Message-ID: >> <CAOVnVUqxXab1L0s3_ik4rYaaRfiL=lqggaz1euvwjgt0yxs...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Painting with Data: A Conversation with Lev Manovich >> >> By Randall Packer. >> >> While big data has infiltrated our everyday lives, Lev Manovich and his >> collaborators have explored the data of everyday life as a window on >> social >> transformation. We discuss his latest work: The Exceptional and the >> Everyday: 144 Hours in Kiev, a portrait of political upheaval in the >> Ukraine constructed from thousands of Instagram photos taken over a >> six day >> period during the revolution in February of 2014. >> >> http://www.furtherfield.org/features/interviews/painting-data-conversation-lev-manovich >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150224/7f9985d0/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:41:07 +0000 >> From: James Morris <[email protected]> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NetBehaviour] necromancy >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> # Vandom # generator: >> http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=frgng14-p1180363#C1424727360 >> >> # Too late: >> http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=skbook_2006_0023#C1424809787 >> >> # Renegade materiality: >> http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=frostypix#C1424810226 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:52:02 +0000 (UTC) >> From: michael szpakowski <[email protected]> >> To: NetBehaviour for Networked Distributed Creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [NetBehaviour] whereof one cannot speak >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16014793144/ >> >> >> another sound piece, constructed from fairly eclectic >> sources....cheersmichael >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150224/46044dbb/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:18:29 +1100 >> From: Roger Mills <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NetBehaviour] Phantom Limbs >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing your ISEA paper and revisiting this >> topic of embodiment in virtual performance. I remember reading it at >> the time in 2011, and had hoped I might bump into you there to >> discuss but we never crossed paths. >> >> I completely concur with your synthesis of neurological research into >> an understanding of virtual perception / cognition, particularly >> Ramachandran?s proposition that ?neurons fire in sympathy with the >> observation of another person?s action.? >> >> I would argue that this also extends to sound, which is an integral, >> if not greater part of that same mirror through which we perceive and >> interpret meaning. On this view, sonic characteristics such as >> timbre, rhythm, melody, articulation in speech, music and other sound >> metaphorically enable the meaning making process because we know what >> it is to make those sounds with our voice or bodies. It is this idea >> of experiential metaphor that is also elaborated in the work by Mark >> Johnson and George Lakoff on image schematic experience, which I have >> previously proposed is useful to understanding perception in >> networked or virtual environments. It is interesting to note that >> Jonson and Lakoff also reference motor / mirror neuron research to >> elaborate their embodied cognition thesis. >> >> With this in mind, I have often wondered why sound seems to play such >> a minor role in these deliberations, particularly in staple >> literature such as Massumi, Ascott et al (please point out if you or >> anyone feels i have missed something here). This follows what I also >> find to be a somewhat anachronistic, yet still pervasive notion of >> virtual space being perceived objectively as a separate, somehow >> fluffy academic cosy space (cyberspace) between dislocated bodies. >> >> In my mind cyberspace, or networked space as I prefer to think of it, >> is an extension of physical spaces and the embodiment of those spaces >> by the social actions that occur in them. This emerged quite >> strongly in my own case study research of networked music performance >> (NMP), but perhaps it also has something to do with a music or sound >> focussed medium as opposed to the predominantly visual medium of >> virtual environments such as SL. >> >> Some of these questions might be discussed in the upcoming Art of >> Networked Practice symposium, although I was hoping, (Randall aside) >> that there might have been a panelist who could speak from a specific >> NMP practice and research perspective. There are many such as Pauline >> Oliveros, Mara Helmuth, Ken Fields for example that I think could >> contribute poignant ideas that relate to many of these issues but >> IMHO are often overlooked by audiovisual focussed telematics >> perspectives. >> >> In any event I enjoyed revisiting your paper and its contribution >> toward the much needed 'epistemic arc' as you describe it ! >> >> Best wishes >> Roger >> >> >> ? >> Roger Mills >> >> http://www.eartrumpet.org <http://www.eartrumpet.org/> >> http://roger.netpraxis.net <http://roger.netpraxis.net/> >> http://telesound.net <http://telesound.net/> >> >> "Knowledge is only rumour until it is in the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, >> Papua New Guinea. >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/pipermail/netbehaviour/attachments/20150225/b498fec4/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:17:22 -0500 (EST) >> From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Phantom Limbs >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> >> >> Check out Auditory Neuroscience, Making Sense of Sound, Schnupp, Nelken, >> and King, and Sonic Warfare, Sound, Affect, and The Ecology of Fear, >> both >> MIT, if you haven't already - >> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Roger Mills wrote: >> >>> Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing your ISEA paper and revisiting this >>> topic of >>> embodiment in virtual performance. I remember reading it at the time in >>> 2011, and had hoped I might bump into you there to discuss but we never >>> crossed paths. >>> >>> I completely concur with your synthesis of neurological research into an >>> understanding of virtual perception / cognition, particularly >>> Ramachandran?s >>> proposition that ?neurons fire in sympathy with the observation of >>> another >>> person?s action.?? >>> >>> I would argue that this also extends to sound, which is an integral, >>> if not >>> greater part of that same mirror through which we perceive and interpret >>> meaning. On this view, sonic characteristics such as timbre, rhythm, >>> melody, >>> articulation in speech, music and other sound metaphorically enable the >>> meaning making process because we know what it is to make those >>> sounds with >>> our voice or bodies. It is this idea of experiential metaphor that >>> is also >>> elaborated in the work by Mark Johnson and George Lakoff on image >>> schematic >>> experience, which I have previously proposed is useful to understanding >>> perception in networked or virtual environments. It is interesting >>> to note >>> that Jonson and Lakoff also reference motor / mirror neuron research to >>> elaborate their embodied cognition thesis. >>> >>> With this in mind, I have often wondered why sound seems to play such a >>> minor role in these deliberations, particularly in staple literature >>> such as >>> Massumi, Ascott et al (please point out if you or anyone feels i >>> have missed >>> something here). This follows what I also find to be a somewhat >>> anachronistic, yet still pervasive notion of virtual space being >>> perceived >>> objectively as a separate, somehow fluffy academic cosy space >>> (cyberspace) >>> between dislocated bodies.? >>> >>> In my mind cyberspace, or networked space as I prefer to think of >>> it, is an >>> extension of physical spaces and the embodiment of those spaces by the >>> social actions that occur in them. ?This emerged quite strongly in >>> my own >>> case study research of networked music performance (NMP), but perhaps it >>> also has something to do with a music or sound focussed medium as >>> opposed to >>> the predominantly visual medium of virtual environments such as SL. >>> >>> Some of these questions might be discussed in the upcoming Art of >>> Networked >>> Practice symposium, although I was hoping, (Randall aside) that >>> there might >>> have been a panelist who could speak from a specific NMP practice and >>> research perspective. There are many such as Pauline Oliveros, Mara >>> Helmuth, >>> Ken Fields for example that I think could contribute poignant ideas that >>> relate to many of these issues but IMHO are often overlooked by >>> audiovisual >>> focussed telematics perspectives. >>> >>> In any event I enjoyed revisiting your paper and its contribution >>> toward the >>> much needed 'epistemic arc' as you describe it ! >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> ? >>> Roger Mills >>> >>> http://www.eartrumpet.org >>> http://roger.netpraxis.net >>> http://telesound.net >>> >>> "Knowledge is only rumour until it is in?the muscle" - Asaro Mudmen, >>> Papua?New Guinea. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> == >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tb.txt >> == >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:03:16 -0500 (EST) >> From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NetBehaviour] the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> >> >> the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image >> >> http://www.alansondheim.org/accident.png >> my friend was driving my car #1 i was away at the time >> #1 by gesture-motion created two terrible pileups >> http://www.alansondheim.org/sondl.mp4 >> ten years or more ago at the experimental television >> center, i transformed sound and gesture into image, >> sound-image into gesture image now it seems to me this >> face in this image talks and hands move wildly there >> is a confrontation with darkness that shall never be >> resolved >> this is the accident of sound, gesture-motion, image >> or the history of the annihilation of the same >> at least nine ambulances >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> End of NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 2286, Issue 1 >> ********************************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz
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