We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression - and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening, it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in the United States now, fury from the left and right simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done? Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)

- Alan


On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:


apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown incident, but about your poetic media work with the QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died. I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb. You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck. You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks did in Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was asking for a counter narrative.

regards
Johannes Birringer





________________________________________
From: [email protected] 
[[email protected]] on behalf of Alan Sondheim 
[[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

"Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces sometimes what one might
want to reveal. We just have different attitudes here. And poverty wasn't
the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize again, however; the
discussion is too loaded for me as well.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:


Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and terror in Munich and what happened
in Johnstown are not exclusive but includes each other. Poverty and to feel
different are the mothers of the terror as well.
Ana


Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]>:

      First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
      Back Centuries A phrase used to describe the culprit in the
      Sydney siege stretches centuries back to Native American chiefs,
      Kipling and Crane."

      I've heard it all my life.

      Second - The bridge and what happened at Johnstown is quite
      different - two books are David J. Beale, Through the Johnstown
      Flood, and David McCullough, The Johnstown Flood. As I
      mentioned, I think, a minimum of 2209 people died from drowning,
      the physical force of buildings bearing down upon them, and
      fire. The bridge was a retaining wall for debris, buildings,
      fire, people dead and alive, and animals dead and alive.

      It seems problematic to me - having been up and down in
      Johnstown, seeing the poverty there now, and so forth - to
      immediately have this slip into a dialog about the Olympics and
      the usual discussions on terror. Johnstown wasn't this; it was
      also very much about class differences, etc., but it was also
      about heroic efforts to save thousands and thousands of lives
      (which involved everything from creating hospitals from scratch
      to building railroad tracks in a very few days, etc.). It's not
      that I don't think the other issues and dialogs are important -
      they're absolutely critical - but the issues are not the same
      between the two.

      When I was in Johnstown with Azure, we walked to the damsite
      (where the dam gave way), where the Little Conemaugh River still
      flows - and for us and many people there, the issue is the vile
      pollution from mine runoff - which kills but slower - that's
      evident everywhere; the River ran bright orange, nothing lived
      in it at all, and it's part of the watershed.

      I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds here, in the
      discussion; I just feel odd about the slippage into a discourse
      which seemed to me to efface what happened 5/31/1889 in
      Johnstown, what's happening there now as well.

      Alan

      On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:


            Dear Ana

            not wanting to engage in ideological fracturings
            here, to be honest; you must be refering to the
            passage that my friend from Houston had sent me in
            the reference to the Olympic Games of 1972, he
            spotted a sinister irony in the choice of the site;
            you will recall that the militant group 'Black
            September' , a palestinian organization, took
            responsibility for the hostage taking, there is
            little disputing that, and i had no intention of
            causing harm with labeling.

            I was more interested in the perversion of term lone
            wolf (which was a literary term i think, from
            Hesse's Steppenwolf). My friend from Texas also
            pondered the scene he found on the internet captured
            during the Munich shootings last Friday: "An
            extraordinary altercation took place between some
            individuals filming the Munich killer as he wandered
            around a roof car park which was empty. A fair
            amount of invective was directed from the group
            doing the filming at the killer below. His response
            to this was to repeat, "I am German." A strange
            response. There is perhaps no easy answer to the
            question, 'What did he mean?'"

            maybe you have an answer.
            regards
            jb


            ________________________________________
            From: [email protected]
            [[email protected]] on behalf of
            Ana Vald?s [[email protected]]
            Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:11 PM
            To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed
            creativity
            Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and
            counter-Munich

            Johannes I am always moved by your words. You have
            such a touching way to paint with words:)
            When you use the words "Palestinian terrorists" I
            react. Because I has been in Palestine several times
            and the only terror I met was that exerced by the
            Israeli soldiers at the checkpoints making us run
            from their rubber bullets and from their gas
            grenades.
            And many of the old Israeli politicians, as Menachem
            Begin, Sharon and others were called terrorists by
            the English when they bombed the King David Hotel
            killing many civilians and when they killed the
            envoy from the United Nations Folke Bernadotte.
            You are born in a country who exerced terror over
            Europe and Africa killing civilians and executing
            Jews, homosexuals and dissidents. The English
            exerced terror over the Boers in South Africa and
            were the first creating concentration camps.
            The French called the time between 1791 and 1794 the
            Regime of the Terror when not only the French
            aristocracy but also the political dissidents paid
            with their life their dissent.
            My point is terror is such an ambiguous word and I
            think no one should label others with it since
            terror seems to be inherent to all people and to all
            cultures.

            Ana

            On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Johannes Birringer
            
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
            wrote:


            Receiving a note from Alan Sondheim, on the road, he
            mentions a stone bridge where he
            created a piece "changing the bridge lighting to
            produce,
            sequentially, and on different lighting
            levels/apparatus, SOS, QRRR, and
            MAYDAY (QRRR is an old radio code for
            warning/danger/disaster); this
            alternative with flame-light images on the bridge
            side (invisible from the
            trains that run above it) representing burning
            crushed buildings and
            people....."

            i am not sure why I think of the bridge, but a
            friend from Texas, after I told him
            about the chaos in Europe, the shootings, the
            terror, the military putsches, purges,
            and the new security measures, the increasingly
            heated debates on refugees
            and migration, Islamism, fascism, and violence,
            well, he noted that the shootings
            in Munich took place on the site of the former
            Olympic Park.

            The Olympia shopping centre is a two-tiered
            glass-covered mall that was built on the site of the
            1972 Olympics.
            The Munich Games were overshadowed by a terrorist
            attack in which 11 Israeli sportsmen and a German
            policeman were
            killed after being taken hostage by Palestinian
            terrorists.

            Now we hear that the shooting last Friday was by a
            young "lone wolf" (and what exactly do they mean by
            lone wolf).



            A Munich-based poet, the late Paul W?hr, once wrote
            about Die Wirklichkeit unter Beschuss (reality under
            shooting attack)

            alles ist doch in Ordnung /
            es geht weiter /
            ich glaube /
            ich glaube es geht weiter /
            ja des glaub ich schon.


            (translated)

            everything's all right, no? /
            life goes on /
            I believe /
            I believe life goes on /
            yeah, I believe so /



            that short QRRR, I tend to think, was meant as
            W?hr's satirical comment on "weltfromme
            Bekenntnisformeln" ,  pious liturgies that we tell
            ourselves, as we must repeat them and murmur them in
            the face of the all the constant flare ups.



            Johannes Birringer
            c/o Interaktionslabor G?ttelborn

            _______________________________________________
            NetBehaviour mailing list
            [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
            http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour



            --
            https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/
            www.twitter.com/caravia158<http://www.twitter.com/caravia158>
            http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/
            http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia
            http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0




            <http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/>

            cell Sweden +4670-3213370
            cell Uruguay +598-99470758


            "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever
            walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for
            there you have been and there you will always long
            to return.
            ? Leonardo da Vinci


            _______________________________________________
            NetBehaviour mailing list
            [email protected]
            http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour



      ==
      email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
      web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
      music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
      current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ub.txt
      ==
      _______________________________________________
      NetBehaviour mailing list
      [email protected]
      http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour




==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ub.txt
==
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.



_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour



==
email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/
web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ub.txt
==
_______________________________________________
NetBehaviour mailing list
[email protected]
http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

Reply via email to