Could that be a work of art, conceptual to imagine what it would feel like if the news arrived after two weeks, with a post boat?
web <http://rinusvanalebeek.com> radio <http://radio-on-berlin.com> label <http://staaltape.wordpress.com> residency <http://ilporticello-art.com> On 26 July 2016 at 22:15, Johannes Birringer < [email protected]> wrote: > > I'm afraid i feel more like a coward > and if everyone who goes on, only for surviving, is a hero > then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to me. far from heroic, > I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like many others; and if we are > privileged > enough, in some countries or towns or villages, to feel relatively safe, > to carry on, and thus, as some friends told me tonight after we met for > soccer practice, to behave "as if nothing happened so not to let terror > control our life and civil liberties," then what? > do we carry on to make art, make another piece? go to a workshop, attend a > symposium, > read a good review (I just read one about an art work called "Those that > are near. Those that are far" > by Walid Raad), carry on? > > I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I > quoted the other day. > > Johannes > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [ > [email protected]] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [ > [email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich > > Yes! I agree, among everyone here. > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote: > > > Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others > dear > > to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we > are > > stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the > > middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda > poets > > found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium > > before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we > are > > heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for > > coping with the small chores of everydays life. > > Ana > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say > > "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is > > almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries > > where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey > > is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking > > ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen > > of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters > > the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't > > forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one > > is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression - > > and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening, > > it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in > > the United States now, fury from the left and right > > simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has > > to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done? > > Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of > > incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this > > late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so > > many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where > > listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.) > > > > - Alan > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote: > > > > > > apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word > > I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after > > day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had > > sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown > > incident, but about your poetic media work with the > > QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had > > jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died. > > I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what > > warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for > > our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking > > for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of > > democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are > > fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly > > or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey > > yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have > > now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are > > told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb > > on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who > > may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb. > > You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person > > near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood > > restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts > > shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts > > killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a > > promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck. > > You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks > > did in Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was > > asking for a counter narrative. > > > > regards > > Johannes Birringer > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > [[email protected]] on behalf of > > Alan Sondheim [[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > > creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and > > counter-Munich > > > > "Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces > > sometimes what one might > > want to reveal. We just have different attitudes > > here. And poverty wasn't > > the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize > > again, however; the > > discussion is too loaded for me as well. > > > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote: > > > > > > Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and > > terror in Munich and what happened > > in Johnstown are not exclusive but > > includes each other. Poverty and to feel > > different are the mothers of the terror > > as well. > > Ana > > > > > > Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan > > Sondheim" <[email protected]>: > > > > First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ > > - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes > > Back Centuries A phrase used to > > describe the culprit in the > > Sydney siege stretches centuries > > back to Native American chiefs, > > Kipling and Crane." > > > > I've heard it all my life. > > > > Second - The bridge and what > > happened at Johnstown is quite > > different - two books are David J. > > Beale, Through the Johnstown > > Flood, and David McCullough, The > > Johnstown Flood. As I > > mentioned, I think, a minimum of > > 2209 people died from drowning, > > the physical force of buildings > > bearing down upon them, and > > fire. The bridge was a retaining > > wall for debris, buildings, > > fire, people dead and alive, and > > animals dead and alive. > > > > It seems problematic to me - > > having been up and down in > > Johnstown, seeing the poverty > > there now, and so forth - to > > immediately have this slip into a > > dialog about the Olympics and > > the usual discussions on terror. > > Johnstown wasn't this; it was > > also very much about class > > differences, etc., but it was also > > about heroic efforts to save > > thousands and thousands of lives > > (which involved everything from > > creating hospitals from scratch > > to building railroad tracks in a > > very few days, etc.). It's not > > that I don't think the other > > issues and dialogs are important - > > they're absolutely critical - but > > the issues are not the same > > between the two. > > > > When I was in Johnstown with > > Azure, we walked to the damsite > > (where the dam gave way), where > > the Little Conemaugh River still > > flows - and for us and many people > > there, the issue is the vile > > pollution from mine runoff - which > > kills but slower - that's > > evident everywhere; the River ran > > bright orange, nothing lived > > in it at all, and it's part of the > > watershed. > > > > I apologize if I'm overstepping my > > bounds here, in the > > discussion; I just feel odd about > > the slippage into a discourse > > which seemed to me to efface what > > happened 5/31/1889 in > > Johnstown, what's happening there > > now as well. > > > > Alan > > > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Johannes > > Birringer wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ana > > > > not wanting to engage in > > ideological fracturings > > here, to be honest; you must > > be refering to the > > passage that my friend from > > Houston had sent me in > > the reference to the Olympic > > Games of 1972, he > > spotted a sinister irony in > > the choice of the site; > > you will recall that the > > militant group 'Black > > September' , a palestinian > > organization, took > > responsibility for the > > hostage taking, there is > > little disputing that, and i > > had no intention of > > causing harm with labeling. > > > > I was more interested in the > > perversion of term lone > > wolf (which was a literary > > term i think, from > > Hesse's Steppenwolf). My > > friend from Texas also > > pondered the scene he found > > on the internet captured > > during the Munich shootings > > last Friday: "An > > extraordinary altercation > > took place between some > > individuals filming the > > Munich killer as he wandered > > around a roof car park which > > was empty. A fair > > amount of invective was > > directed from the group > > doing the filming at the > > killer below. His response > > to this was to repeat, "I am > > German." A strange > > response. There is perhaps > > no easy answer to the > > question, 'What did he > > mean?'" > > > > maybe you have an answer. > > regards > > jb > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: > > [email protected] > > > > [[email protected]] > > on behalf of > > Ana Vald?s > > [[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 > > 9:11 PM > > To: NetBehaviour for > > networked distributed > > creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] > > stone bridges, QRRR and > > counter-Munich > > > > Johannes I am always moved > > by your words. You have > > such a touching way to paint > > with words:) > > When you use the words > > "Palestinian terrorists" I > > react. Because I has been in > > Palestine several times > > and the only terror I met > > was that exerced by the > > Israeli soldiers at the > > checkpoints making us run > > from their rubber bullets > > and from their gas > > grenades. > > And many of the old Israeli > > politicians, as Menachem > > Begin, Sharon and others > > were called terrorists by > > the English when they bombed > > the King David Hotel > > killing many civilians and > > when they killed the > > envoy from the United > > Nations Folke Bernadotte. > > You are born in a country > > who exerced terror over > > Europe and Africa killing > > civilians and executing > > Jews, homosexuals and > > dissidents. The English > > exerced terror over the > > Boers in South Africa and > > were the first creating > > concentration camps. > > The French called the time > > between 1791 and 1794 the > > Regime of the Terror when > > not only the French > > aristocracy but also the > > political dissidents paid > > with their life their > > dissent. > > My point is terror is such > > an ambiguous word and I > > think no one should label > > others with it since > > terror seems to be inherent > > to all people and to all > > cultures. > > > > Ana > > > > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56 > > PM, Johannes Birringer > > > > <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Receiving a note from Alan > > Sondheim, on the road, he > > mentions a stone bridge > > where he > > created a piece "changing > > the bridge lighting to > > produce, > > sequentially, and on > > different lighting > > levels/apparatus, SOS, QRRR, > > and > > MAYDAY (QRRR is an old radio > > code for > > warning/danger/disaster); > > this > > alternative with flame-light > > images on the bridge > > side (invisible from the > > trains that run above it) > > representing burning > > crushed buildings and > > people....." > > > > i am not sure why I think of > > the bridge, but a > > friend from Texas, after I > > told him > > about the chaos in Europe, > > the shootings, the > > terror, the military > > putsches, purges, > > and the new security > > measures, the increasingly > > heated debates on refugees > > and migration, Islamism, > > fascism, and violence, > > well, he noted that the > > shootings > > in Munich took place on the > > site of the former > > Olympic Park. > > > > The Olympia shopping centre > > is a two-tiered > > glass-covered mall that was > > built on the site of the > > 1972 Olympics. > > The Munich Games were > > overshadowed by a terrorist > > attack in which 11 Israeli > > sportsmen and a German > > policeman were > > killed after being taken > > hostage by Palestinian > > terrorists. > > > > Now we hear that the > > shooting last Friday was by a > > young "lone wolf" (and what > > exactly do they mean by > > lone wolf). > > > > > > > > A Munich-based poet, the > > late Paul W?hr, once wrote > > about Die Wirklichkeit unter > > Beschuss (reality under > > shooting attack) > > > > alles ist doch in Ordnung / > > es geht weiter / > > ich glaube / > > ich glaube es geht weiter / > > ja des glaub ich schon. > > > > > > (translated) > > > > everything's all right, no? > > / > > life goes on / > > I believe / > > I believe life goes on / > > yeah, I believe so / > > > > > > > > that short QRRR, I tend to > > think, was meant as > > W?hr's satirical comment on > > "weltfromme > > Bekenntnisformeln" , pious > > liturgies that we tell > > ourselves, as we must repeat > > them and murmur them in > > the face of the all the > > constant flare ups. > > > > > > > > Johannes Birringer > > c/o Interaktionslabor > > G?ttelborn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > > > [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]> > > > > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > > -- > > > > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/ > > > > www.twitter.com/caravia158< > http://www.twitter.com/caravia158> > > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ > > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia > > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/> > > > > cell Sweden +4670-3213370 > > cell Uruguay +598-99470758 > > > > > > "When once you have tasted > > flight, you will forever > > walk the earth with your > > eyes turned skyward, for > > there you have been and > > there you will always long > > to return. > > ? 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