Hi. I can not recall the name of the writer.. Apologies. I seem to remember they altered their name in various ways. I think they incorporated their tattooed number as part of the name.(?)
Interesting re performers.. I think there are accounts by various musicians regarding the interval they have experienced between themselves and the music they were made to play/perform. (specially to do with Wagner's tunes) Yes. I think we are going through a period of harshness between people and other beings/elements..? Yes. I hope to meet up in london! Will be great. Hope to be back from continental europe before you leave london.. :) Hope you have much fun in london - it has a lot to give and provide. Ciao and all the best! aharon xx June 21 2017 12:08 AM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: > Perhaps nothing has changed, nothing has been learned - because learning and > changing are already > on another t(r)ack? In the U.S. Trump and racism as you know are legitimized > - after so many > decades of work against racism etc. Now we're veering back into what I think > of as barbarism. > Perhaps what you're doing can be tured into itself as well? Examining and > even undermining the > grounds of the investigation? > > Just thinking here. Who was the writer? I became interested recently in > performers in the female > orchestra of Auschwitz (who later were sent to Bergen-Belsen); they also > testified (those who > survived). What is music or art or resistance or the somatic effects under > those conditions? > > Are you in London? Perhaps we can meet up? And let us know how everything > you're doing plays out.. > > Best! Alan > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, aharon wrote: > >> Thanks Alan. >> >> Ofcourse these trials are not playful. Well, not in my mind at any rate. >> >> However, the nurnberg trials have, i think, a language that links a certain >> kind of way to imagine >> imagination between the perpetrators of the holocaust and their judges. (eg >> the placement of the >> trials in nurnberg was explicitly linked with the nazi rallies.) >> For me one of the many horrors of the holocaust comes from a short piece of >> writing by an Auschwitz >> survivor where its outline how they felt after being saved. The feeling of >> great pain and for that >> person on an ongoing fashion - that nothing has changed. Nothing was >> learned. Therefore perhaps >> indeed a holocaust, or a version of it, can occur at any given time... (the >> person who wrote them >> lines ended up killing themselves, as far as i recall.. One of the witnesses >> in Eichmann's >> trials..) >> zizek talks at times about the in-ability to learn from something like the >> holocaust by pointing >> out that indeed such an event has no educational value. Brutality is no way >> to teach people indeed. >> >> Though perhaps when time comes into it, there are ways to learn despite all >> the brutality? >> >> Cheers and all the best! >> aharon >> xx >> >> Bootnote: >> the "wonder" in the language is that of imagination, that of an If X? and If >> Y? rather than that of >> stuff being full of wondrous owe, etc.. >> details: >> http://ifxyz.xyz >> >> June 20 2017 8:58 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: >>> When I was 11-12, I read the Nurenberg War Trials volumes on the medical >>> cases. I'm Jewish, there >>> were relatives who died under the Nazis. The medical cases were something >>> else, something more >>> brutal if that can be believed. The volumes had photographs. I can't >>> imagine anything but a kind of >>> brutality and infliction of pain that seemed and seems as bad as anything >>> in the world. For me >>> there's nothing playful about those trials. I've been haunted by the >>> images/texts since then (for >>> example a Jew in an airtight chamber, the air slowly evacuated, what >>> happens). For me and others I >>> know, there's no wonder and the language of sensations ends in nothing but >>> anguish and darkness. >>> There are issues of bearing witness. >>> Solzhenitsyn is useful here. http://www.alansondheim.org/lightattheend.mp4 >>> Maybe I'm the wrong one for this work, in which case of course apologies. >>> >>> Best, Alan >>> >>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, aharon wrote: >>> >>>> Hiyas, >>>> >>>> Hope this finds you well indeed! >>>> >>>> The following text is from a language - if N?rnberg-Ness - that has began >>>> to evolve and am going to >>>> focus upon on Thursday. If anyone fancy evolving this too - it's yours! :) >>>> >>>> if N?rnberg-Ness ? >>>> if N?rnberg-Mess-Ness ? ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers and all the bests! >>>> aharon >>>> xx >>>> http://itchy.5p.lt >>>> >>>> ----------------- >>>> N?rnberg >>>> ?? >>>> >>>> If (N?rnberg) ^ ? >>>> >>>> if (NurMberg ^) ^ ? >>>> >>>> if (NMbergNess ^ ) ^ ? >>>> if (NMBNS ^) ? >>>> if (nbs) ^ ? >>>> if (NBNS)^? >>>> if (NMB >>>> >>>> NS >>>> >>>> ) ^ ? >>>> >>>> N?rnberg, as an evolving language of sensations, a wonder, a search from >>>> one's imagination? >>>> N?rnberg - the sensation of N?rnberg? >>>> >>>> Wagner's imagined musical theatre encountered, frictioned, by the 1930's >>>> Nazis with their own >>>> imagination. A nazi imagination regarding the German historical narrative >>>> and indeed Wagner's own >>>> perception. >>>> Hence we get the N?rnberg rallies staged within Wagnerian-inspired >>>> theatrical architecture. >>>> Since the N?rnberg rallies came to be theatrical show of Nazi propaganda, >>>> their effect upon other >>>> people's psyche seems to have been such that when justice court theatrical >>>> shows of putting Nazis >>>> on trials post WW2 was considered - N?rnberg seemed like an apt place. A >>>> place to close the circle >>>> the Nazi imagination opened all these years ago at the beginning of the >>>> 1930's. >>>> However, here, I think, we get a new friction of imaginations - > The >>>> imagination of the >>>> conqueror's own "good" cause, with the imagination of court trials as >>>> bringing justice. (Justice >>>> either through theatre and/or despite and in-spite of the theatricalities >>>> on show.) >>>> >>>> Here, I think we collide into and with Temporal imaginations from N?rnberg. >>>> The imagination about a revered person's mind - > as if they are part of a >>>> time based sequence that >>>> requires embodiments that are both "out of the mind" and out of time for >>>> sharing minds' >>>> imaginations. ( ie an art-linked time might be perceived as a time when we >>>> share - we link up - >>>> wonders, imaginations.) >>>> >>>> The imagination from the past. The imagination of present and future from >>>> how a certain past is >>>> being imagined. (Both nazis and allied forces took an imagined past and >>>> tried to dress it up with >>>> bodies that suited them. The nazis dressed up Both Wagner and German >>>> mythology, and the allied >>>> forces dressed up their imagination of and from the N?rnberg rallies.) >>>> >>>> The imagination from embodiment. > As if the temporarily of imagination >>>> requires a body that is >>>> "outside" of whatever was imagined? >>>> I might be imagining someone actually reading these lines - however, isn't >>>> this very imagination >>>> enough regardless of whether someone is actually reading or even going to >>>> read this? >>>> Where is that Body? >>>> In many ways, I think, for example in how a line is being structured. In >>>> the fact that even if no >>>> one will ever read this, I keep editing. So if you happened to read this, >>>> this is my imagination >>>> even if you have never read it. > >>>> Similarly, I think, the imagination from Wagner, the Nazis and the allies >>>> perhaps mistreated itself >>>> at the very point that people opted for embodiments that are "outside" the >>>> imagination? >>>> >>>> Here perhaps there's a meta collision from imaginations: >>>> The imagination in general and its nature, colliding with imagination that >>>> imagines the nature of >>>> imagination to be in a great need for embodiments outside. The imagination >>>> in general collides with >>>> a dualistic perception of imagination itself? >>>>> ------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> I thought, initially, to go and do N?rnberg in the city of N?rnberg by >>>> visiting relevant sites, >>>> picking up their imaginary characters into a language. >>>> However, after a while, it seemed rather limited and limiting - to be >>>> focused on N?rnberg as a sort >>>> of geography rather than a practice of a language in and of itself. >>>> Since the name N?rnberg is with an N in german minds and M in english - i >>>> thought to find another >>>> similar place to begin with. Step in Kuln, or Cologne..? >>>> To get the language of imagination in link to time and place - as well as >>>> of itself (ie how one >>>> might imagine themselves) - It seems that perhaps to begin with the >>>> language can do with guide >>>> books. >>>> Say a guidebook from around 100 years ago. >>>> https://ia902205.us.archive.org/13/items/rhineincludingb00firgoog/rhineincludingb00firgoog.pdf >>>> How did it imagine Cologne? How did it imagine itself? Lets collide that >>>> with imagining the places >>>> - some of them - nowadays, and we get a sense of N?rnberg ? >>>> >>>> an >>>> if (NMbergNess ^ ) ^ ? >>>> an >>>> if (NMB >>>> >>>> NS >>>> >>>> ) ^ ? >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> >>>> * Since we are talking about things to do with Nazis, and some of the >>>> language here treats them as >>>> thinking, feeling, sensing and cultural beings - human beings - perhaps it >>>> might be cool to note >>>> that this has nothing, NADA, ZILCH in terms of support agreement and >>>> tolerance for Any, Anytime and >>>> Anything they have done and that people are still doing with nazism in >>>> mind. >>>> Indeed, I hope some of the concerns here are to do with critique of stuff >>>> people keep doing Without >>>> Nazism in mind - that is, in fact, slightly pretty much like that ideology >>>> in terms of operation >>>> rather than explicit meanings. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> New CD:- LIMIT: >>> http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3&pit=138 >>> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org >>> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 >>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/uq.txt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > New CD:- LIMIT: > http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3&pit=138 > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/uq.txt > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
