matthew green <m...@eterna23.net> writes:

>> I needed to ifconfig up the interface being used by hostapd, once I did
>
> don't feel bad.  i don't understand the rules about when things are
> up or not by default and it seems that this problem happens about
> every 5 years for me...

Indeed.

I think the rules are:

  assigning an IP address does an implicit up

  otherwise, it doesn't happen

in hindsight, not having any implicit up would probably be better, but
obviously not reasonable to change now.

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