Thanks for the work in identifying the most serious problems coming out of NetCAT.
My feeling is we're not going to be able to fix these specific items for this specific release, most seem to be difficult to reproduce, we should explicitly list these, and we should continue to monitor them and prioritize them for fixing -- we do have developers working on adding new features and fixing bugs, the question is always going to be how to effectively identify items to be fixed and how to match those items with the developers experienced in those specific related areas. Gj On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:51 PM Jiří Kovalský <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think we need to distinguish NetCAT issues from others but if > you want to see all issues which respondents of Community Acceptance > 10.0 survey warned about as potential blockers, you can use this query: > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=affectedVersion%20%3D%2010.0%20AND%20labels%20%3D%20ca_survey > > -Jirka > > Dne 3.11.2018 v 22:54 Laszlo Kishalmi napsal(a): > > > Can we have the ... part? > > > > BTW, Could we just label the issues with NetCat (or maybe NetCat11) in > > the future NetCat processes? > > > > I would like to add a public filter on NetCat issues and include in my > > dashboard: > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_secure_Dashboard.jspa-3FselectPageId-3D12332552&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=axQs2Z8er0K1DDXtt-dxbdoKdKwdZwRdBStdtOHvzQk&s=k9FezNjZeHVcw5X4cKGWxKGowJMR3q6BNTDhZoJtExU&e= > > > > > > > > On 11/2/18 1:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I guess, something like this, would be pretty close if we don't have > >> tags and are still willing to filter NetCAT based bugs: > >> > >> > >> project = NETBEANS and createdDate >= '2018/10/8' and createdDate <= > >> '2018/10/31' and reporter in ('mkowsiak', 'jkovalsky', 'geertjan', > >> 'alextech', ...) ORDER BY created DESC > >> > >> > >> Michal > >> > >>> Dnia 1 listopada 2018 o 12:10 Geertjan Wielenga > >>> <[email protected]> napisał(a): > >>> > >>> > >>> Is there a way to get a list of all the issues filed through the NetCAT > >>> program? > >>> > >>> Gj > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:36 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Jiri, hello Alexander, > >>>> > >>>> here are my thoughts. > >>>> > >>>>> 1. Tickets in strange state > >>>>> > >>>>> The luxury of dedicated people paid by Sun/Oracle to pay attention to > >>>>> bugs, develop features, respond to e-mails and the like are gone. > With > >>>>> the same argument statement "...the dev team cannot address each > >>>>> issue..." makes no sense because there is no dev team. The dev team > is > >>>>> you. > >>>> I am afraid I support Alexander here. I bet there are people who > >>>> have no > >>>> idea how to code using Java, yet still use NetBeans (e.g. PHP, HTML, > >>>> C/C++). > >>>> > >>>>> Complaining about issues being ignored equals showing own > >>>>> misunderstanding how open source software development works. Good > news > >>>>> is that you can filter the issues reported in October, trying to > >>>>> reproduce them one by one, adding your investigations and setting > >>>>> their > >>>>> status and/or priorities correctly. When do you plan to do that? > >>>> I also got impression (from what I have read on pages dedicated to the > >>>> process) that we should focus on testing only. > >>>> > >>>> But, at the same time, I agree with you, Jiri. If there are no > >>>> dedicated > >>>> developers anymore (I mean, people who are actually paid for > developing > >>>> NetBeans), then, solving issues lays on volunteers and I won't raise > >>>> this > >>>> kind of objections (not tackling the issues in Jira). Simply, the > >>>> landscape > >>>> of NetBeans has changed and I need to adapt to it. > >>>> > >>>>> 2. Tribe leaders are useless > >>>>> > >>>>> I am afraid I disagree. True tribe leaders are precious asset for > >>>>> NetCAT. They simply act as managers, communicating with their tribe > >>>>> members, finding their strengths/weaknesses, then distributing the > >>>>> work > >>>>> load, periodically checking the status/progress, reminding about > >>>>> incomplete tasks, triaging issues, escalating the most serious ones > to > >>>>> the NetCAT program coordinators, organizing meetups, etc. If these do > >>>>> not exist, everything falls on plates of NetCAT program coordinators > >>>>> which are obviously overloaded which leaves NetCAT participants with > >>>>> impression of chaos, ignorance or frustration. > >>>> OK, maybe it's still happening, maybe all these activities are still > >>>> taking place, but, to be honest, I haven't seen that this time that > >>>> much. > >>>> > >>>> I remember older editions of NetCAT, with weekly reports summarizing > >>>> activities, providing information to whole team, so it knew where it > >>>> was > >>>> standing at any, given, time. So, this time, I thought that NetCAT was > >>>> targeted more towards solo players who want to decide for themselves > >>>> how to > >>>> update docs, what to choose for testing, etc. Which, in fact, suits me > >>>> better :) > >>>> > >>>> Michal > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=axQs2Z8er0K1DDXtt-dxbdoKdKwdZwRdBStdtOHvzQk&s=OkFhh1AbLG_R01KevSOALDwGgU2aUVtLV8O-heHap68&e= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=axQs2Z8er0K1DDXtt-dxbdoKdKwdZwRdBStdtOHvzQk&s=OkFhh1AbLG_R01KevSOALDwGgU2aUVtLV8O-heHap68&e= > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Mailing-2Blists&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=axQs2Z8er0K1DDXtt-dxbdoKdKwdZwRdBStdtOHvzQk&s=OkFhh1AbLG_R01KevSOALDwGgU2aUVtLV8O-heHap68&e= > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >
