Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote:
> 
> >
> > > On 04 Apr 2016, at 16:15, Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 04 Apr 2016, at 15:57, Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I do not see any reason to prohibit this use of action-stmt
> > > > or notification-stmt.  If the list has no keys then there is
> > > > no need to distinguish instances because the data model defines
> > > > no such semantics.
> > >
> > > If such a keyless list has multiple entries, how can an action request
> > specify which of the list entries it is tied to?
> > >
> > > it must be be relevant to distinguish instances or else the designer
> > > would have defined a key.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What breaks if this is allowed?
> > >
> > > The behaviour is undefined.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO lists without keys are a really bad idea.
> > > But the semantics are fully defined according to YANG.
> > > If the list has no keys then there is no instance information
> > > relevant to the data model.  The action or notification is passed
> > > all the keys (happens to be zero in this case).
> >
> > To my understanding, each action request has to specify the unique
> > instance that's the "receiver" of the action. If this cannot be done, it is
> > IMO a problem in the spec.
> >
> > An alternative implementation of actions would be to use instance
> > identifiers instead of an explicit data hierarchy, and in this case it
> > would be possible to use indices for identifying entries. But the hierarchy
> > provides no such option.
> >
> > It's not a big issue, but there is already a couple of rules regarding
> > where actions can and cannot be defined, so this would be another one
> > intended to avoid potential ambiguity.
> >
> >
> I agree actions were not considered when keyless lists were allowed in YANG.
> There was an assumption that this data is always read-only that is no
> longer true in YANG 1.1.
> 
> I certainly prefer adding a restriction than redoing the way actions work.
> Using /foo[5] does not work because entry "5" might move or get deleted,
> so the numbering is not stable.

How about:

  An action MUST NOT have any ancestor node that is a list node without
  a "key" statement.

(and ditto for notifs)


/martin

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