On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 11:07 -0800, Kimberly De Vries wrote: > I don't mean you should hide it, but maybe mention/document some > examples when you talk about various covert deals made between > groups--just claiming they exist won't convince a reader who doesn't > already agree, and I assume you would like to persuade them.
Sorry, but I dont get this any more. Where do I talk about 'covert deals between groups' ? What I say is you dont need to roll out the spectre of cybercommunism for the next layer to happen. If some totally depoliticized geek writes some code for some open source project thhis is still fine. He does not have to think that this activity is political, in the bigger picture it still is. At the same time there are coders who understand their activity as clearly political and they write software with a pointed intention to create free media tools, free networks, etc. maybe you dont know such people but they do exist, even in the USA of here and today. case studies will follow. as to the question if capitalism is 'stronger than ever' I agree with lotu5' remark that this does not sound quite right. I should have expressed it more dialectically. What I wanted to say is that powerful people/classes have better means of oppression than ever and that computers play a big role in that. At the same time people are writing tools for DIY media and use them and this is all great, I am totally up for it. But although capitalism may be 'waffling' I dont expect to see Chavez running the world economy any time soon. Therefore my metaphorical ending. the ice age of capitalism is still on, full stop. but open source culture is something more evolutionary than revolutionary and is smart and adaptive and bottom-up. in that regard I would like to propose the synthesis, not the division, between the cocoa co-operative in nicaragua and the hacklab in berlin or amsterdam. you can see it as one and the same struggle, or you can stay home and pull the blanket up regards armin # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: firstname.lastname@example.org