> On Oct 16, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Rahul Goswami via nettime-l 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My thanks to the admins and moderators of nettime, who have given the space 
> for this discussion which - so far as my limited knowledge of net cultures 
> extends to - is not a core subject for the list.
> 
> During the last 3-4 days there have been comments on my posts by Allan 
> Siegel, Ted Byfield and David Opp. What links their comments is the 
> legitimacy of the state of Israel and the presence of the Jewish people. 
> There is undoubtedly a historical record that stretches back to remote 
> antiquity. Insofar as it can be telegraphed, the Hebrews entered the land of 
> Israel about 1300 BCE, living under a tribal confederation until being united 
> under the first king, Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as 
> the capital around 1000 BCE. David’s son, Solomon, built the Temple soon 
> thereafter. Of all the people who lived in the area at that time - such as 
> the Phoenicians, Moabites, and Philistines - only the Jews remain today.


Sorry. This is propaganda narrative which ignores the presence of the 
Palestinians. 
> 
> To better understand the Jewish attachment to the land, this is a passage 
> from a fairly recent volume.
> "In 1921, the Jewish National Fund had purchased large tracts of land in the 
> Valley of Jezreel known as the Emek. The region was swampy and ridden with 
> malaria and blackwater fever. It had to be drained and cultivated. Merhavia, 
> the kibbutz which Golda chose because some Americans who had come over with 
> the Jewish Legion had settled there, was one of the oldest cooperatives in 
> the Emek. Originally founded in 1909 by members of the legendary Second 
> Aliyah, it had proved to be a difficult spot. After ten years most of the 
> marshland was drained, but the original group had been physically broken in 
> the process." (From 'Golda Meir, Israel's Leader', Marie Syrkin, G P Putnam's 
> Sons, 1969.)
> 
> Keith Sanborn has asked: "What is the difference between an attack and a 
> terrorist attack? Wholesale vs retail?"
> 
> Reliable sources are to be found in the legal texts on International 
> Humanitarian Law. Hamas, even if taken to be a non-state entity or part of a 
> non-state entity, is considered by all accepted criteria to be fully 
> accountable under International Humanitarian Law for its actions in terror 
> attacks (it is a listed terror organisation by the European Union and by the 
> USA) against Israeli civilians and using its own civilians (Arab 
> Palestinians) as human shields. Its leadership, commanders, and fighters are 
> therefore punishable for crimes against humanity and war crimes. The 
> indiscriminate firing of more than 3,300 rockets into Israel’s towns and 
> villages violates the rule of distinction in international humanitarian law, 
> which requires combatants to limit attacks to legitimate military targets, 
> and there is the difference about which you ask.
> 
> Furthermore, also consult (a) Yoram Dinstein, 'The Conduct of Hostilities 
> Under the Law of International Armed Conflict' (Cambridge UP, 2004), (b) 
> Jean-Marie Henkaerts and Louise Doswald-Beck, 'Customary International 
> Humanitarian Law' (ICRC, Cambridge UP, 2005). (c) First Additional Protocol 
> to the Geneva Conventions (1977), W J Fenrick, 'The Rule of Proportionality 
> and Protocol I in Conventional Warfare' (98 Mil. L. Rev., 1982).

The point is: The IDF has been engaging in state terrorism for decades. 
> 
> Sanborn: "No one has ever tried to sanitize this."
> 
> What happened on 7 October 2023 was the biggest massacre in one day of Jewish 
> civilians since the Holocaust, and it is the second highest death toll 
> because of terrorist action after the events of 11 September 2001 in USA. The 
> death toll is now above 1,300, the count of the injured is much higher than 
> that number, and there are nearly 200 hostages still held by Hamas. No amount 
> of academic and activist justification can obscure or distort these facts.
> 
> In a previous post I had written, "In a number of cities in Europe, North 
> America and Australia, later on 7 October and during the days following, 
> 'celebrations' for the attack were on public display by supporters in those 
> cities of Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian "resistance"." 
> Sanborn asked "I wd like to see some references substantiating this."

Thanks. I will investigate these. 

> Here they are:
> https://news.sky.com/story/london-protest-thousands-attend-pro-palestinian-march-amid-escalating-israel-hamas-conflict-12984380
> https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-break-up-banned-pro-palestinian-rally/a-67104373
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/scholz-pledges-zero-tolerance-as-antisemitic-incidents-rise-in-europe
> https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-police-ban-palestinian-solidarity-rallies-in-berlin/3015651
> https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/israel-palaestina-konflikt-bw-100.html
>  (protets forbidden in German cities)
> https://www.politico.eu/article/france-gerald-darmanin-aims-to-ban-all-pro-palestine-protests/
> https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/les-enseignants-en-premiere-ligne-face-a-la-terreur-islamiste-20231015
>  (Teachers on the front line of Islamic terror)
> https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/barbarie-islamiste-mecanique-mortifere-20231015
> https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/10000-demonstrate-in-amsterdam-in-support-of-palestine/
> https://www.profil.at/oesterreich/judenhass-im-herzen-wiens-wer-hinter-den-demos-steckt/402631148
>  (Jew hatred in Vienna)
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/10/12/hamas-attack-harvard-students-blame-israel/71152750007/
> 
> Rahul Goswami
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