Hello Johnatan,

Maybe I should not have included that phrase on the infinity of art / 
techno-science / advanced capitalism, as it distracts from the main point about 
the necessity of  a deep engagement in deliberate acts of political design, and 
a shift from ‘revolutionary’ tactics to methodologies to tailor cultural and 
political interventions to specific situations.

Then again, the realisation that we are no longer looking at infinite horizons 
but at limited perimeters seems quite crucial.

The phrase is actually an implicit reference to an observation that Jean 
François Lyotard made in an essay titled “Presenting the Unpresentable: The 
Sublime” (1982). His observation there is that the avant-garde arts, 
techno-science, and advanced capitalism share an 'affinity with infinity’ (all 
Lyotard’s terms). The avant-garde arts testify to the infinity of possible ways 
of seeing, the techno-sciences to the infinity of possible ways of knowing, and 
advanced capitalism to the infinite capacity to realise (seeing all, knowing 
all, realising all).

This idea is over now - there is a clear and final boundary that we are 
approaching rapidly: the depletion of the earth’s resources. Gaia may 
reconfigure if we were to pass that boundary and tend towards a new semi-stable 
equilibrium, but that will be most likely without humans able to survive there. 
So, this introduces the finality that puts an end to this ‘affinity with 
infinity’ that Lyotard was talking about.

As for the specificity of these three terms: Lyotard uses them quite broadly, 
but with the avant-garde arts he refers primarily to the historical avantgardes 
in the arts (i.e. before WWII) and its post-war inheritors. The techno-sciences 
refers to the domain of the application of instrumental forms of knowledge 
production and technological methods that he had previously written extensively 
about in The postmodern Condition (1979), his report on the state of knowledge 
production. And finally with ‘advanced’ capitalism he refers to everything that 
comes after Ford and Frederick Taylor (scientific management).

You might be right that these categories are too broad to make them stick 
locally - still I think it is noteworthy that this idea of infinity that 
Lyotard suggested is over and done with - there is no such thing as infinity 
when it comes to human affairs, we must find ways to live within strict 
limitations or risk to become extinct as a species.

It is against this backdrop that the nitty gritty work of political design, 
applied to analysis, critique, mobilisation, new forms of organisation, 
concrete political intervention, civic networking, new forms of artistic 
enquiry and aesthetic experience, unfolds. And ‘laboratory Spain’ is one of the 
first places that I look for to find inspiration and practical models of 
cultural and political practice.

btw - Simona Levi keeps us up to date with much of that on this list every now 
and then, but the actual ground work is very extensive indeed, not just in 
Barcelona, so let’s take some cues from that!

Hope this elaboration helps somewhat to address your non-understanding…

all bests,
Eric

> On 14 Oct 2017, at 15:49, Johnatan Petterson <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> hello Eric.
> why not to call 'design' subversive input and outright denying of anything, 
> or rather B.Latour would say, 'visualize' them. by design or by 
> art-techno-science and advanced capitalism? i ask because these last three 
> categories
> do not make sense, they are not detailed to a symbolic meaning in my scope. 
> they have a too broad range of signification, and so i cannot re-copy-paste 
> them in the current understanding of this list' conversation. could you 
> fragment these three words and stabilize around new categories, should you 
> what would you advance. (to help you to better understand my 
> non-understanding: i don't know at what point an artwork ceases to pertain to 
> 'infinite horizon' (if the latter concept meant -any-thing) and becomes some 
> designing, past a finite boundary? give some examples please! same with 
> techno-science,, and 'advanced capitalism': how do you distinguish phases of 
> capitalism, according to what schemes? (historical, paradigmatics, 
> geographical, cultural, biological?? etc.) thanks)-
> 
> john.
> 
> 2017-10-14 13:50 GMT+02:00 Eric Kluitenberg <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>:
> ]-]-]...[-[-[
> 
> In Latour’s terms - though I would not insist on them in any way - this would 
> be part of the process of composing the good common world (of humans and 
> nonhumans - the ‘collective’), and yes Gaia does provide us with a perimeter 
> for that, which includes all political factions (even those in outright 
> denial) - this is a perimeter, which is to say a final boundary to which we 
> are drawing ever closer, and not an infinite horizon which recedes as we move 
> forward. The end of infinity (of art, techno-science, and advanced 
> capitalism) is a new condition to which all of these factions have to answer 
> in one way or another.
> 
> bests,
> Eric
> 
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