oh thanks for the information(s) i felt like we were doing it in the list 'right here & now' (the design, and fractured cultural specific situation methodologies) that might be 'aesthetic experience' lapses, which prooves yur right, & we 've passed beyond the perimeters, left infinite speed. i don't know Lyotard. Deleuze was teacher in his Paris 8 universitiy. in his 1984book on Foucault, infinite forces in Thought are localized to philo-classicism in Descartes & Spinoza, Leibniz. same 1984 book explores the new limitations to the infinite speeds: this as the 'Kantian moment', 'carbon'- fold on themselves of the forces of physis. switches death, limiting factor. (i think the allusion is open-free to the rise on atheism in Europe after French 1789. )- knowing this part of the Deleuze notions, i am wondering what/how to place this Gaia reconfiguration in the thoughts of Man? such as a new trend? some new limit? (for Deleuze, the Forces in the Form 'Man' come illimited, that is the infinite speed(s) reach not into Man's particulars aesthetic concsious experiences. Yet, its 'illimited'. A Force is expansive. even if it is the Force to destroy Man Form (which btw according to Spinoza is not eternal, because limited.) so to become eternal, infinity is important. at the least this conception and line of reasoning promulgated very well, abstracted from its premises. regards, Johnatan.
2017-10-15 0:03 GMT+02:00 Eric Kluitenberg <[email protected]>: > Hello Johnatan, > > Maybe I should not have included that phrase on the infinity of art / > techno-science / advanced capitalism, as it distracts from the main point > about the necessity of a deep engagement in deliberate acts of political > design, and a shift from ‘revolutionary’ tactics to methodologies to tailor > cultural and political interventions to specific situations. > > Then again, the realisation that we are no longer looking at infinite > horizons but at limited perimeters seems quite crucial. > > The phrase is actually an implicit reference to an observation that Jean > François Lyotard made in an essay titled “Presenting the Unpresentable: The > Sublime” (1982). His observation there is that the avant-garde arts, > techno-science, and advanced capitalism share an 'affinity with infinity’ > (all Lyotard’s terms). The avant-garde arts testify to the infinity of > possible ways of seeing, the techno-sciences to the infinity of possible > ways of knowing, and advanced capitalism to the infinite capacity to > realise (seeing all, knowing all, realising all). > > This idea is over now - there is a clear and final boundary that we are > approaching rapidly: the depletion of the earth’s resources. Gaia may > reconfigure if we were to pass that boundary and tend towards a new > semi-stable equilibrium, but that will be most likely without humans able > to survive there. So, this introduces the finality that puts an end to this > ‘affinity with infinity’ that Lyotard was talking about. > > As for the specificity of these three terms: Lyotard uses them quite > broadly, but with the avant-garde arts he refers primarily to the > historical avantgardes in the arts (i.e. before WWII) and its post-war > inheritors. The techno-sciences refers to the domain of the application of > instrumental forms of knowledge production and technological methods that > he had previously written extensively about in The postmodern Condition > (1979), his report on the state of knowledge production. And finally with > ‘advanced’ capitalism he refers to everything that comes after Ford and > Frederick Taylor (scientific management). > > You might be right that these categories are too broad to make them stick > locally - still I think it is noteworthy that this idea of infinity that > Lyotard suggested is over and done with - there is no such thing as > infinity when it comes to human affairs, we must find ways to live within > strict limitations or risk to become extinct as a species. > > It is against this backdrop that the nitty gritty work of political > design, applied to analysis, critique, mobilisation, new forms of > organisation, concrete political intervention, civic networking, new forms > of artistic enquiry and aesthetic experience, unfolds. And ‘laboratory > Spain’ is one of the first places that I look for to find inspiration and > practical models of cultural and political practice. > > btw - Simona Levi keeps us up to date with much of that on this list every > now and then, but the actual ground work is very extensive indeed, not just > in Barcelona, so let’s take some cues from that! > > Hope this elaboration helps somewhat to address your non-understanding… > > all bests, > Eric > > On 14 Oct 2017, at 15:49, Johnatan Petterson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > hello Eric. > why not to call 'design' subversive input and outright denying of > anything, or rather B.Latour would say, 'visualize' them. by design or by > art-techno-science and advanced capitalism? i ask because these last three > categories > do not make sense, they are not detailed to a symbolic meaning in my > scope. they have a too broad range of signification, and so i cannot > re-copy-paste them in the current understanding of this list' conversation. > could you fragment these three words and stabilize around new categories, > should you what would you advance. (to help you to better understand my > non-understanding: i don't know at what point an artwork ceases to pertain > to 'infinite horizon' (if the latter concept meant -any-thing) and becomes > some designing, past a finite boundary? give some examples please! same > with techno-science,, and 'advanced capitalism': how do you distinguish > phases of capitalism, according to what schemes? (historical, > paradigmatics, geographical, cultural, biological?? etc.) thanks)- > > john. > > 2017-10-14 13:50 GMT+02:00 Eric Kluitenberg <[email protected]>: > >> ]-]-]...[-[-[ >> >> In Latour’s terms - though I would not insist on them in any way - this >> would be part of the process of composing the good common world (of humans >> and nonhumans - the ‘collective’), and yes Gaia does provide us with a >> perimeter for that, which includes all political factions (even those in >> outright denial) - this is a perimeter, which is to say a final boundary to >> which we are drawing ever closer, and not an infinite horizon which recedes >> as we move forward. The end of infinity (of art, techno-science, and >> advanced capitalism) is a new condition to which all of these factions have >> to answer in one way or another. >> >> bests, >> Eric >> >> ——————— > > >
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