Can't wait to read these.
I just started it last night but already feel like it's very reductive and
suggests that this mode of extractive capital begins in 2001 with Google
where there's a huge body of theory (autonomist Marxism etc) that explores
the rise of these tendencies from the 1960s/1970s onwards. I'm really
curious to hear everyone's thoughts
Thanks for sharing these here :)


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:13 AM Felix Stalder <fe...@openflows.com> wrote:

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> On 08.02.19 03:27, Brian Holmes wrote:
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> > That said, to judge by chapter 1, Surveillance Capitalism is worth
> > reading. It provokes and infuriates me by what it leaves out, but
> > it's fascinating at points and hopefully gets better as you go.
> > Morozov has written the perfect intro for a critical read of what
> > might become a landmark book- if the situation it describes does not
> > again suddenly change beyond recognition, as it easily could.
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> I've read bit and pieces by now, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't
> get better and is in line with her earlier articles and talks you can
> find online.
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> Mozorov highlighted many of the problematic aspects of her approach,
> which he boils down to her claim that the imbalance of power between the
> individual user and corporations is a novel thing, and that prior to the
> current phase, capitalism worked by making transparent offers to
> rational consumers who would choose from these offers based on their
> own, genuine needs and desires.
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> Thus her proposals to change the situation are all about restoring this
> individual autonomy, through what she calls "right to the future" (aka
> the ability to change ones life without being restricted by predictions
> based on past behavior) and "right to sanctuary" (which, basically,
> is an elaborate version of 'my home is my castle').
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> Mozorov puts lots of emphasis on her lack of engagement with other
> theories of contemporary capitalism and her unwillingness to considers
> options beyond the market. And, really, not even Wikipedia is ever
> mentioned (expect as a source once) and Free Software only in relation
> to Android and Google's strategy to dominate it. Thus, she never asks
> why such alternatives exist and what could be done to support them. So,
> the only alternative we get is Apple, the company, as Richard Stallman
> famously put it, that "made prison look cool".
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> But not only does she barely engage with capitalism, she also does not
> engage with the surveillance as a feature of contemporary life that
> preceded "surveillance capitalism" by decades, if not centuries (a line
> of thinking that stretches from Foucault to David Lyon et al). Strangely
> enough, she also doesn't engage with the history of "behavioral
> modification", which has played a major role in the history of
> capitalism in the last 100 years. This ignorance is necessary to keep
> her basic premise, about the sudden undermining of individual autonomy
> alive.
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> Of course, there is much to like on the book as well, particularly her
> claim that what we are living through is really a "coup from above: an
> overthrow of the people’s sovereignty." But is this really the result of
> "surveillance capitalism" or, more broadly, of neo-liberalism, as
> post-democracy theory has been arguing since the late 1990s?
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> Nevertheless, it puts this again into the table and connects it to some
> of the most powerful actors in the economy and it highlights the demands
> for regulation. Which leads Mozorov to the following question:
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> > Should we accept the political utility of Zuboff’s framework while
> > rejecting its analytical validity? I’d argue that we can proceed down
> > that path only if we understand the price of doing so: a greater
> > sense of confusion with regard to the origins, operations, and
> > vulnerabilities of digital capitalism.
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> No. We need to come up with a better reading of the current situation
> regarding informational capitalism.
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> Both Zuboff and Mozorov mention in passing Polanyi, though don't make
> much of it. I think that concept of a fictitious commodity can be
> usefully expanded. So far, this has mainly been done in relation to
> knowledge [1], but this does not work well.
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> It works better with "engagement" as the commodity form of
> "communication". I tried to develop this idea in a talk recently and
> posted the relevant segment to nettime recently as "Engagement, a new
> fictitious commodity"
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> https://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1901/msg00039.html
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> To expand a bit on this post: the old settlement between communication
> as a social (non-market) activity and engagement as a commodity, created
> by laws and ethical standards, broke down as new set of corporations
> established a radical market-system for communication. Initially, this
> was seen as a liberation, because the old settlement was unable to cope
> with the rising diversity of cultural/political positions seeking new
> forms of expression. But over time, the pressure to increase profits by
> focusing solely on commodity production, and the pressures to operate in
> such an environment placed on everyone, began to undermine communication
> (as negotiation of shared meaning) more and more, to the degree that
> within these radical market systems, almost all non-market element have
> been destroyed, and hence, undermining societies ability to communicate.
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> Hence, we need to ask, what kind of resistance (aka double movement) and
> new institutional arrangements do we need to protect and expand our
> collective capacity to communicate. There are lots of possible answers
> to this, ranging from regulation of social media companies to the need
> develop communication infra-structures outside the markets.
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> [1] Jessop, Bob (2007): Knowledge as a Fictitious Commodity: Insights
> and Limits of a Polanyian Perspective.
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