On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:20 AM Vincent Gaulin <[email protected]>
wrote:

> This article is like a neoliberal apologist’s playbook.
>
> “I don’t like the green new deal because it doesn’t define it’s business
> alliances [paraphrase]”, I guess they couldn’t join WWII without first
> defining their business alliances first, either. Utter nonsense.
>
>
Vincent, it's good to hear from you. I disagree a little bit, but it's a
friendly kind of disagreement.

Adam Tooze is a critical academic historian, not a neoliberal. His question
in this interview is what political moves would be necessary to seize the
socially transformative possibilities of monetary creation by central banks
- that's the opposite of neoliberal austerity. The biggest difference
between him and you could be that you're rightly furious about all that is
NOT happening in terms of seizing the opportunity, whereas he just asks
coldly critical questions and gives no clear answers.

I would be curious to hear more about what you propose. Clearly you have
ideas on the subject. People have to articulate, not just their demands,
but also their plans. This is something very positive about the DSA (yes,
for all of you in other countries, there is an increasingly influential
party called the Democratic Socialists of America). Echoing Warren Buffet,
Tooze says the class war is over and the billionaires won, but that was
yesterday. The point is to prove him wrong today, something which is
starting to happen.

Concerning Tooze's remark about the Green New Deal not defining its
business alliances, it's a strategy question. The American government, like
every capitalist government but even more so, is weak compared to the large
corporations. Its footprint is large - the public sector accounts for
almost 15% of total employment in the US case - but it's fragmented into an
infinity of services and scales, with tightly restrictive mandates and
operating codes, and the real neoliberals have starved most of those
services of tax revenue, not to mention legitimacy. The most significant
forces that the federal government can mobilize directly and immediately
are the military ones, but even Trump has had a lot of difficulty doing
that, although he has done so on a very small scale for building little
bits of his great big beautiful wall. I am sadly certain that we'll
frequently see the military mobilized on domestic soil as the Anthropocene
sets in with a vengeance over the next decade -- but for disaster
management, not for the energy transition or carbon sequestration.
Technical endeavors of those kinds are carried out in the US by
corporations (though often with payment from the state). We don't have
state-owned enterprises as in China, or the ability to command ostensibly
private corporations. Defining business alliances with a political strategy
for changing the course of capitalist development is of the essence.

In the 1940s, Roosevelt was only able to definitively solve the economic
crisis by mobilizing the corporations for total war. You know, this was the
era of the "dollar a year men," dispatched to Washington to co-manage their
corporations' participation in the war effort. But while engaging the
corporations in this way, he basically did their bidding, placing federally
orchestrated research and development at their service (where it has
remained), integrating productive capacities at continental scale, and
opening up a militarily defended world market for this expanded productive
apparatus. All of that was accepted by the population as a pathway to the
good life: it was broadly legitimate from a national perspective. This is
how the monster of American global dominance emerged from the Roosevelt
administration's wartime strategy. Neil Smith's books - American Empire and
The Endgame of Globalization - are what helped me understand that. The
strategy that won the war was later disastrous for much of Roosevelt's
social-democratic project.

Responding to Max Herman, when Tooze says it's a dirty little secret that
large owners of capital put their money in government debt in times of
crisis, well, that's a useless and misleading bit of irony. For both
standard Keynesian and Marxist economics this is an obvious fact, and
what's more, it's fundamental to the daily operations of the global
financial markets, where the risk of potential profitability is always
balanced against the security of government bonds. This is only a
contradiction, or a dirty little secret, from the viewpoint of free-market
ideology. The question is, why has so much effort been made to defend that
ideology against such a flagrant contradiction? Why cover up the obvious?

The reason why is that public investment, in combination with taxation and
legally binding regulation, can both shift the developmental pathways of
large corporations AND establish a larger, more capable and more meaningful
public sector. The neoliberals are exactly those who stand to lose from
such a shift, and who have fought tooth and nail against anything like it,
starting way back in the 1970s. The thing is, large-scale public investment
on the basis of monetary creation by the state is not just a theoretical
possibility, neither back then, in the Kennedy-Johnson era of the Second
Welfare State, nor even less now, when both civil rights movements and
climate change demand major structural changes in political economy. And
all the more so since, as Tooze points out, the bugbear of inflation has so
far failed to materialize. Even the current Democratic campaign platform,
as well as the massive spending bill passed a month or two ago by the House
(and killed in the Senate, obviously) aim to do exactly that - not just tax
and spend, but create money and spend it. Still, really transforming
anything is not an easy task, when organizations like huge "public"
utilities, or even bigger oil companies, use their considerable resources
to block those changes. Any transformation of the energy system - including
electrical generating capacities, industrial process heat, grid
modernization and the crucial carbon sequestration effort that Vincent
talks about - is going to require the mobilization of large corporations,
just as producing a vaccine does. Such a transformation will also have to
generate at least some partial equivalent of the kind of jobs offered by
the current energy sector, especially oil & gas. Why? Because if those
sectors are not restructured in a way that buys off at least some of their
participants, we will have a full-on civil war in the US, as you can
already see from the Trump era.

That being said, the Democratic plans, and even more, the Green New Deal
proposal, do not neglect the public sector. Instead they propose massive
employment programs in weatherization and climate retrofitting at the urban
level, where so many millions of unemployed and disenfranchised people
live. The point is to overcome the incredible cruelty of capitalist
society, which has now alienated large fractions of the population. These
efforts would require a lot of public administration at all levels of the
state, and they alone could gain the allegiance of the precarious and
disenfranchised sectors of the population.

As Max points out it's definitely true that capitalist states have done
this kind of thing since the Great Depression, that's how they staved off
the Communist threat. Social democracy is one form that this response took,
but unfortunately it was everywhere accompanied by corporate globalization
(look at what Norway has done with its oil). I don't really know anything
about Mr. Janeway, Max, but if you expand your reading you will find that
these kinds of proposals to relegitimize the state through public
investment are legion right now: that's the basis of the theoretical Green
New Deal and of its really existing social-democratic counterpart, the
European Green Deal. It might be better to drink your social democracy from
a wider range of sources, and not only from enlightened representatives of
the corporate order - though as I am arguing, with Tooze, they should not
be neglected either.

I think the state must be relegitimized in this way, through a strong
grassroots strategy that takes both state and corporate development into
account, and then holds them to account. Just as people held the DNC to
account yesterday, when they tried to take the promised end to fossil fuel
subsidies out of their platform. Popular power is the key - but it has to
be really popular, including large sectors of the middle classes too. The
only way to realize the promise of a Green New Deal is to develop a broadly
sharable, clearly articulated strategy that is rooted in the needs and
aspirations of precarious and working-class sectors, with support from all
kinds of professionals and intellectuals, and with full recognition and
willingness to act against the systemic racism inherited from colonial
history. Ocasio-Cortez, Sanders, the Sunrise Movement, the DSA, have all
been able to formulate such a strategy. But it has a long way to go before
it is understood and embraced by a rightfully suspicious population. That's
tragic, because the alternative is living in the ruins under constantly
intensifying disasters of the kind unfolding in California right now.

There are currently many people who believe that living joyfully and
cooperatively in the ruins is the only available future. Well, most likely
we are all going to get many chances to find out if we like living in the
ruins...

all the best, Brian
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