Eric, this is the vicious circle: you can't change the electoral system (ie., the Electoral College) without either a constitutional amendment (nearly impossible) or individual state legislation that vows to send electors based on the popular vote—which a number of Democratic states have signed onto but Republican ones won't. Right now there aren't enough states to do it and there probably won't be in our lifetimes. So what ends up happening is that we get sporadic third party attempts that never go very far.
In the early 20th Century we had the radical Minnesota Farmer Labor Party, but that was in one state and in a context of widespread left organization and mobilization. Today the most successful is probably the Working Families Party in NY with chapters in a number of NE and Midwestern states, but it's not powerful enough to compete against the corporate funding of the two main parties so usually doesn't run its own candidates and instead ends up mainly cross-endorsing Democratic Party candidates. None of them have been able to mount a serious challenge on the national level. As noted above, campaign finance laws, by which corporate powers are able to pump billions in "dark money" into elections, are another major problem. There is legislation to reform them but it faces the same problem as abolishing the Electoral College. The sheer geographical size and diversity of the US is another major obstacle, whether we're talking about building a third party or building mass left organization. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:45 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Stop the Steal (Flick Harrison) > 2. Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 158, Issue 20 (Eric Kluitenberg) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:22:37 -0800 > From: Flick Harrison <[email protected]> > To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Stop the Steal > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What seems the most dangerous and mysterious to me is that Trumpism?s > instincts for combative messaging and incoherence-as-a-strategy seems to > have almost out-performed the focus-group politics developed so > painstakingly across the 20th century. Despite ignoring the experienced > election hands, the sober thinking of the party machines, and the broad > consensus of elected Republicanism, Trump?s votes were not only way up from > 2016, but he was strategically placed to come fairly close to winning in > the places where it counts. This seems like a pretty huge achievement for > someone who doesn?t listen to detailed data briefings or really know or > care anything about geography or demographics, other than the broad strokes > or embracing racism and misogyny. > > It?s interesting that he was able to look out across a sea of faces, shout > out awful slogans, and read the crowd more effectively than the opinion > polls or the experienced party strategists. His instincts as a board-game > player were better than the bean-counters'. > > BUT: The biggest crisis in all this is that the critical media literacy > of the last 50 years has been straight-up weaponized by capital and the > right. All the instincts to ?follow the money,? ?follow the class > identity? in the media ecosystem, hammered home by Chomsky and the like, > have been turned in on themselves - so that ?Big Science? is held > criminally responsible for lies - automatic to the fact that they receive > money from somewhere to do research, and therefore can be assumed to bend > all data to their own selfish ends. This pollutes the discourse on > vaccines, Covid, climate change, hell anything that can be clearly > explained by a huge consensus of scientists is instantly suspect by the > very fact of its ideological coherence and hegemony. > > This isn?t limited to Big Right discourse but is fuelled by Youtube > hucksters and scammers of all kinds, polluting everything? bad education > and suspicion of officialdom are twin cancers on progress. British > Columbia, for instance, has discussed universal dentalcare as a progressive > goal, but what point is free dental care when there?s mass delusional > suspicion of flouride in the water? The right thinks it?s a form of mind > control and the left thinks it?s Big Pharma making money off of polluting > our bodies. So where is the constituency for evidence-based public health? > > The number of left anti-vaxxers I?ve encountered lately is indeed > disheartening. A feminist woman I know weaves her critique of the > patriarchal medical system seamlessly towards the conclusion that vaccines > are a form of assault on women. > > The major disrupter of the 2016 US election, Brexit, and anti-populist > organizing generally has been ?Fake News?? from rogue bloggers all the way > up to Fox and OANN?. but even as this concept was catching on in the > mainstream, it was immediately weaponized by Trump and his ecosystem as a > term for anything critical of him. It was emblematic of their black belt > in discourse judo, taking the most vital idea of the critical discourse > moment and utterly flipping it into a right-wing weapon. How can we tackle > the problem of massive disinformation if the terms are constantly hijacked > by the very people we?re trying to protect ourselves from. > > The right is able to use very broad strokes to argue that all mass media > is biased towards the left, using a sort of dolt?s version of critical > media theory - if they?re disagreeing with us, there must be sinister > structural biases, and because hey presto, we just proved sinister > structural bias, therefore everything they say must be a lie. And so this > 1-2 punch creates the motto: ?Everyone who disagrees with us is a liar.? > Ipso Facto. > > We can be a little bit cheered by the collapse of the alliance between > Trumpism and Fox News - caused by Fox?s sticking to the reality around the > election outcome - - but it is too early to trust that this schism will > last. > > So while we?re struggling to create a movement whose ideology we can be > proud of, and which has clear coherent principles, the other side is > spending all their time destroying us while marching in lockstep to > whatever tune is the most useful at the moment. > > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:06 , Brian Holmes <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Turns out, not only is Stop the Steal a pure creation of Republican > operatives, but it DOES go back to the criminally convicted and > Trump-pardoned granddaddy of all right-wing goons: Roger Stone, he of the > Brooks Brothers Riot, who invented the slogan in 2016 and is pandering it > today along with a phalanx of loosely aligned haters: > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/business/stop-the-steal-disinformation-campaign-invs/index.html > < > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/business/stop-the-steal-disinformation-campaign-invs/index.html > > > > > > Those who want to agonize about the role of the Internet in undermining > democracy and sparking civil conflict, well, I think you should investigate > this. It's ripe for journalistic exposure, activist counter-efforts, and > some quantitative social science too. > > > > We're not out of the woods yet. > > > > Brian > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20201116/91aa7ae9/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 19:42:44 +0100 > From: Eric Kluitenberg <[email protected]> > To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime-l Digest, Vol 158, Issue 20 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Lucia, > > Yes that was exactly my point - change the system. > > bests, > -e. > > > > On 16 Nov 2020, at 19:20, Lucia Sommer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, re: "Where the f. is the Green Party or something like that in > the US???" the short answer is that the system is structured so as to make > a third party effectively impossible. We would need to adopt a different > electoral system for it to be feasible. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 6:00 AM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l < > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: why is it so quiet (in the US) (Eric Kluitenberg) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:50:25 +0100 > > From: Eric Kluitenberg <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > To: nettime-l <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Subject: Re: <nettime> why is it so quiet (in the US) > > Message-ID: <[email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > HI Ted, all, > > > > Fascinating discussion in ominous times.. > > > > > On 16 Nov 2020, at 04:02, tbyfield <[email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > The US is breaking down, so it's not at all surprising that some of > its language for describing the world would as well. > > > > From a continental European perspective I?m watching this spectacle > (don?t know what else to call it, without immediately invoking Debord and > beyond), and I?m not well enough informed to have any definite reading, but > my impression is not that the US is ?breaking down?. Much rather it seems > that the US is embroiled in a profound political crisis that plays out on > many different levels. > > > > For non-UK Europeans this whole electoral system tied to voting > districts and the ?first-past-the post? principle does not make much sense, > nor does the two party (Republicrat) party system, where none of the other > political parties that do exist across the US get represented in the > legislature. > > > > Despite the important consideration that much of ?democracy? happens > outside the formal legislative institutions (i.e. issue-based displacement > of politics, freedom of assembly, the right to strike, referenda, and more > spontaneous and/or affect driven forms of assembly), implying that we > should not get trapped in a hyper-focus on the formal institutions, still > at the moment when these formal institutions enter into a state of crisis, > as is apparent now in the US, this warrants attention. At the very least > these formal institutions should be able to guarantee these other > ?democratic? or civil rights to be exercised extra-institutionally. > > > > What this signals to me, from my limited Eurocentric (male / straight, > etc.) perspective is an urgent need for institutional reform. At the very > least some form of proportional representation in the voting system and a > much lower threshold for different collective political actors to enter the > legislature. Just to ask the most obvious question: ?Where the f. is the > Green Party or something like that in the US??? > > > > It would also allow the so-called ?populists? to enter on their own > terms, which is a good thing because then they can be confronted head on. > Europe has its own severe problems with those kinds of political movements > and it forces the mainstream to acknowledge that and do something with it > before they become a MEGA* type of movement. In NL we have seen a > persistent presence for the last 20 or so years of political actors (the > biological and political bodies changing and morphing all the time) of > about 20% of the vote of people who simply want nothing (they don?t want > immigrants, they don?t want environmental protective policies, they don?t > want taxes, the don't want lefties, they don?t want the EU, they don?t want > globalisation, they don?t want other people parking in the parking lot in > front of their house, etc etc..). > > > > Maybe Germany can serve as a model for the US? It also has a federal > structure and a 5% threshold for parties to enter parliament. That all > seems to work reasonably well (at least for the last 70 years). > > > > The other thing is this presidential system. That just does not make any > sense to me at all anymore - what is this some 21st century Leviathan? Get > rid of that, appoint some symbolical nobody and let the country be run by a > coalition of differential political groupings who can work out the best way > forward together (harmonically if possible, contestationally if necessary). > > > > Please people across the great pond, get your act together! > > > > all bests, > > Eric > > > > p.s. - * MEGA - Make Europe Great Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20201116/456228bb/attachment-0001.html > < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20201116/456228bb/attachment-0001.html > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l < > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l> > > > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 158, Issue 20 > > ****************************************** > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20201116/fe230cc0/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 158, Issue 22 > ****************************************** >
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