On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Narendra Sisodiya < [email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Vickram Crishna <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ? >> >> What has happened? >> >> Is this in reference to the fact that someone has been copying our posts >> to other lists? In what way can this be prevented, other than by internal >> trust between ourselves? Do you propose a technological alternative? >> > > There is a mismatch is expectations > OK. > FOSSCOMM is supposed to be a central organisation which should lead major > foss adoption projects , advocacy and training. This will come from full > time or 0.75*fulltime commitment. List is not a solution. it is giving a > feel good kind of satisfaction that atleast we are doing something. we > gathered gathered 2-3 times. There are many post exist where nobody care > about replying. > When I joined, I did not have this expectation, of a central organisation. Frankly, I have seen so many centralised organisations fall short of their member's expectations that my first reaction to the idea is to say, not for me, thanks very much. In each and every case, it is because the people who are good at getting recognised as organisational leaders aren't all that good at actually leading. Well, there are exceptions - when the leader is so charismatic and notably achievement oriented that succession becomes impossible, or the organisation under new leaders becomes quite different from how it began. > Ex - > http://lists.fosscom.in/pipermail/network-fosscom.in/2011-February/003451.html > Dhayfule wrote 2-4 times earlier too, and didn't got any attention, Even if > we discuss on his issue, what will be end result... somebody has to work in > real word. For example I raise issue of AICTE, when it comes to mailing > list,it don't provide any solution.. Somebody has to take out time from his > daily life and go to their office to work on issue. > I am responding without checking the link, taking your word for it. A mechanism to highlight the problem, to invite suggestions - I totally agree that lists aren't the best thing around. But why throw out the baby with the bathwater? I suggest that we debate an alternate set of discussion fora, be it mobile-centric, or socnet-centric, or some other. And if it doesn't exist, we should make it happen. My only point is - We need FOSS adoption,, we can discuss the ways of FOSS > adoption and hurdle and somehow we need to generate funds for it and work in > lots of other issue. > I have noted down 50+ FOSSy colleges Here - > http://lug-iitd.org/FOSS_Representative_of_Indian_Colleges_and_InstitutesWe > can thing for having a proper organisation (may be like CSI-India ) for > foss adoption. > > All I am saying that we have not started FOSSCOMM for just a mailing list > but it is just a mailing list. > > I think you are being a bit harsh. At least I have seen some change coming about, and I do think the list helped in crystallising the thoughts, discussion points, and background materials that help bring about this change. > Other are other organisation also,,. LIKE FSF INDIA, FSMI and recently > ICFOSS-Kerala, > We can think for merging it to anyone.. We need a serious organisation who > can work at 3 levels > * Political Level - - FOSS adoption in college > * Industry Level -- giving out FOSS support training and new FOSS software > and other fossy project > * Academic Level - FOSS adoption in college and schools > I think this point has come up before as well, in terms of 'who' FOSSCOMM is. Dr Nagarjuna heads FSFI, and is a keen member of this list, and possibly one of the architects of FOSSCOMM (at least he informed me about it, and invited me in). In that sense there is already a commonality of interest. otoh, I really have no clear idea of the background to formation of this list. What is the purpose of merging - won't it drive away people who do not think FSFI (as an example, not a proposal) is the only way ahead? Isn't it better to have a rainbow than a single colour? As it is, we have a huge variety of talent and interests here, and we work positively together whenever and wherever we can. I think your frustration is that it doesn't happen every time. > there are person like GT rao who are just surviving on less then 5000 Rs > per month and on the unstoppable mission of ground level foss advocacy - > http://fossyatra.in/node/6 Can we support such guys ? > It is true that we do not have a very good framework for such activities, unlike in other countries where there seems to be a more consistent history of supporting public causes. You mention CSI, and it is a huge organisation in terms of numbers, but I have never actually met anyone who was passionate about it. Maybe I don't meet enough people. > Can we all, Everybody who are associated with FOSS in India sit in one > common hall to think on what and how ?? > As I said, this seems to be it already. Without funding, of course, there is little scope for 'sitting in one hall' either figuratively or literally, and from your mail, this is the point that needs most critical attention. > > We also need to think like how we can create an organisation which can act > as an Organisation and still lead a big community of FOSS in India.. Ex - > FSF , Wikipedia and many other projects have both Organisation and Community > structure in parallel and in sync... > There was a very interesting Wikimedia meeting in Mumbai the other day, and I 'heard' the same story - the difficulties of managing an organisation and community structure in one place, and in sync. I didn't hear any ready-baked answer, though. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com>
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