On Sunday September 14 2003 01:32 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > Anyway, ya just gotta ask yourself why t'hell you would want,
> > or would need to regularly update everything with force an
> > nodeps in the first place (?) Specially cooker
> Is anyone reading my posts?
Yes, I know --allow-force != --force, if nothin goes wrong, if it
works as it's supposed to, if the mirrors aren't borked. You
haven't had any updates in the last month or so remove most of KDE,
without asking? Remove other files, links, and even directories,
without askin?
> Let me say it again. When you run the command above it will try
> to install the packages. If it runs into a dependency it can't
> resolve it asks me if I want to try to install the offending
> package without checking for dependencies. I say yes or no
> depending on what the package is and what the possible effects
> would be of allowing it to do so. If I say no it exits. If I
> say yes it then tries to install the packages without checking
> for dependencies. If it still cannot do it because of a conflict
> with an already installed package it asks if I want to force the
> install. I again have the option of saying Y or n. If I say no
> it exits. If I say yes it installs the package without checking
> anything. It forces it to install without any regard for
> breaking dependencies or conflicting with existing packages.
So I ask again, why do you believe that usin --allow-force and
--allow-nodeps regularly is a good idea? I'm sure you know what
you're doin, but IMO, it's dangerous, and could be misconstrued by
a lot of newbie cookers as a good thing to do regularly. It's not.
It's not even a good thing to do in the few cases it's needed.
Better to switch mirrors, get the src.rpm and rebuild it, or wait
till the problem is fixed in cooker and/or on the mirrors. I
believe since cooker unfroze shortly after 9.1 release, I've
needed/used either --allow option all of about twice. And then just
waitin a day or so for new updates on the mirrors would've made
--allow-* unnecessary.
> used absentmindedly. You have to think about what you are doing
> when you add that extra option (-f).
I have. I added it a long time ago when the mirrors were worse
than they are now. It only gets the synthesis.hdlist download (a
few extra seconds), needed or not. I did it because the hdlist
wasn't being updated even tho the one in ../base on the mirror was
newer. Due to upgrades in urpmi and perl-URPM, it no longer seems
to have any effect and isn't needed. I've been meaning to take it
out. But it can't/doesn't hurt anything to leave it in either.
urpmi.update -a -f --wget && urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm
--auto-select -v
It'd be nice if signatures were proper and --no-verify-rpm
wasn't still needed too. It'd be nice if the mirrors were more
dependable and --wget wasn't needed also. But they're not
dangerous options. And I know Mandrake has little or no control
over donated mirrors. In a perfect cooker world all that would be
needed is urpmi.update -a && urpmi --auto-select
YMMV,
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