On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote:Gentlemen;
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/mild but accurate rant
The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process. The problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming release until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by then it was far far too late. This new release cycle (still every six months) might help, but I now see people now sayin, "I'm gonna wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but RC2". If I were them with that attitude I'd keep it to myself. What they're really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let some others test drive the new release for me. I'm not willin to take part in the community developed distro I use".
Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with the distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/ knowledge of Linux compatibility. EG, the current 'CD1 won't boot' problem for some users. With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal. end mba rant/
I, for one, appreciate your rant.
As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've been a bit confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker, the RCs and now the Community download. On the one hand, when a question is asked concerning a problem a user is having, I often hear, "Well, a newbie has no business running cooker," or, "What did you expect with an RC?", etc. I can see why some would shy away from anything but a full, official release.
It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to experiment with the latest releases, whether newbies or more-seasoned users.
Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of a raving, angry complaint, then the "what did you expect?" response is probably justified. :-)
You are both right and wrong. There are all kinds of people on this list as well as elsewhere. A percentage will download the RC1 and others will not. I did but I'm too much of a newbie to get 9.2 to where I can use it so I know I have little chance of fixing problems that really exist. Dont be down on Mandrake because its the best OS I found and I'v tried a lot of them. I'm here because this dist is the best of what's out there now.
Regards; Hoyt
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