On Thursday 08 April 2004 03:02 am, John Wilson wrote: > On April 7, 2004 05:05 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > > Guys, > > What do you think of this: > > "Because you run Mandrake, you didn't invest the 20-30 minutes that most > > Shorewall users do in learning about Shorewall during the installation > > process." > > > > That is a response I got in the shorewall list. I hate it. In fact, I > > have been getting those kind of views from many people in the Linux > > community when they found out that I use Mandrake. > > > > What's wrong with Mandrake? Does Linux have to be difficult so that we > > are proud to be called "Linux guru" by others? Does the easiness that > > offered by Mandrake make it's users lazy and stupid? I'm afraid this is > > the unpleasant stigma that we get in the Linux community. > > > > Boy, I hate this.
heck,,,, look at the same you & we all have to deal with being so good looking and smart,,, so what if the less fortunate show jealousy in petty ways,,, just don't stoop to their levels > > I've had this response from others on other lists and, by and large, have > learned to ignore it. Sure, there are reasons to get down and dirty under > the hood of any system but for the average home user (which I'm not) this > isn't an issue. So MCC sets it up for you? So what? > > One can be content with what MCC does or dig under the hood. That neither > makes people lazy or incomptetant. Most computer users will never become > gurus anyway. Most don't want to be. > > As for that 20-30 minutes of learning that some of these people go on about > I daresay they haven't learned much. I got that crack from a couple of > people I know in on IRC recently and had hacked through their firewall in a > matter of minutes. Not hard to do when you realize that all they'd done > was moderately enhanced the example setups on Shorewall's site. > > I will say I dislike Shorewall. I dislike it's documentation. I even > dislike the attitude of it's creator that anyone that doesn't understand it > is somehow mentally deficient. It reminds me of the attitude of the > creator of MPlayer. The difference is that MPlayer is a quality piece of > work and Shorewall can be replaced with another IP Tables scripting system. > > As for holy wars about distros, well, I just lean back and giggle when I > hear SuSE and Red Hat users complain that they've fscked something while > good old Mandy ticks on and on. :-) > > ttfn > > John -- linux counter #167806
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