I have to wonder why a rocket scientist would post his full home address on a mailing list? Rather than just the area. It's just begging for junk mail sign up's.
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie Mahan > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:30 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard > drive(diatribe alert) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: > > Hello, > > Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no > space left > > and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably > there are much > > cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find > > anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If > electron guys > > are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal > copyes of > > movies :>. But you need a working system to do it. There is > no other way > > to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. > > Define working system before you make such statements please. > Booting from one > of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools > available to mount, > format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. > The drives can > have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. > > You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My > *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to > illustrate that the > original question wasn't specifically asking for a format > that would make any > data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very > expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away > from the "low level > format" trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree > sometimes. > > The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably > easier to use the > original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in > some smart ass > comments. > > > Little math lesson: > > Let say there is an "empty place" on a disk. That's the > place, where we > > write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are > > 171798691840 "empty places" > > ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). > If we write a > > file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 > > "empty places" in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition > with HardDrake, > > it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct > time). So, if we > > format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are > touching only > > 838860800 "empty places" on the disk and 170959831040 are > untouched and > > containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent > > filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another > 838860800 > > and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE > BITE ON A DISK > > TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on > 20G disk takes > > about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. > > What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that > type of forensic > analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was > recommending. Are you > trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? > > Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. > > > Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about > writing speed on a > > disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess > there are really > > only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every > single MB > > If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't > I? I don't have > the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was > no reason for > them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism > may be why so > many people despise "geeks." > > Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your > intellectual > prowess? > > Does anyone care? > > > Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is > > everybody not understanding it with me. :> > > > > Tomas Tudja > > 136 Church Road > > N17 8AJ > > London, UK > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://hysteria.sk/catcher > > What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? > Or cares if you > do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is > unrecoverable with > specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? > > I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original > poster's question. > What did you offer? "Write movies to the disk!" You do know that many > countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do > you not? It's > called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks > about the > R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity. > > Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special? > > I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I > and many others > volunteer our time attempting to help others. I definitely > didn't need a > primer course in kitchen arithmetic. With _absolute certainty_ I can > unequivocally state that I didn't need some lurker popping in > to tell me in a > backhand (or direct either) way that I am a mental midget and > less than the > dust beneath his training wheels. > > To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe. > > To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give > it to you first. > > You'd probably still screw it up though. > > Regards; > Charlie > Let the "zings" begin. > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org > Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Beta 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdk > 01:53:54 up 6:33, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.30, 0.27 > I have many CHARTS and DIAGRAMS.. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBEe/xZqvqlrLPr5YRAgQRAJ9XoDLRWe6RqbUqR68mQgH0+TlDaACeMF/v > wnsE8FGoso7NCEslAVMTHpk= > =0gwA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >
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