Sorry, wrong signature... Actually my address at summer time is Tomas Tudja Huskova 65 04023, Kosice Slovak Republic
Or Tomas Tudja Orgovanova 323 076 01, Zemplinske Hradiste Slovak Republic Now you can wonder :> And please stop this silly flamewar BTW, You can find out that I am not a rocket scientist in my cv :> Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony S. Sykes Sent: 05 August 2004 10:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) I have to wonder why a rocket scientist would post his full home address on a mailing list? Rather than just the area. It's just begging for junk mail sign up's. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie Mahan > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:30 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard > drive(diatribe alert) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: > > Hello, > > Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no > space left > > and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably > there are much > > cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find > > anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If > electron guys > > are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal > copyes of > > movies :>. But you need a working system to do it. There is > no other way > > to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. > > Define working system before you make such statements please. > Booting from one > of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools > available to mount, > format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. > The drives can > have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. > > You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My > *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to > illustrate that the > original question wasn't specifically asking for a format > that would make any > data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very > expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away > from the "low level > format" trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree > sometimes. > > The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably > easier to use the > original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in > some smart ass > comments. > > > Little math lesson: > > Let say there is an "empty place" on a disk. That's the > place, where we > > write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are > > 171798691840 "empty places" > > ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). > If we write a > > file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 > > "empty places" in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition > with HardDrake, > > it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct > time). So, if we > > format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are > touching only > > 838860800 "empty places" on the disk and 170959831040 are > untouched and > > containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent > > filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another > 838860800 > > and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE > BITE ON A DISK > > TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on > 20G disk takes > > about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. > > What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that > type of forensic > analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was > recommending. Are you > trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? > > Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. > > > Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about > writing speed on a > > disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess > there are really > > only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every > single MB > > If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't > I? I don't have > the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was > no reason for > them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism > may be why so > many people despise "geeks." > > Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your > intellectual > prowess? > > Does anyone care? > > > Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is > > everybody not understanding it with me. :> > > > > Tomas Tudja > > 136 Church Road > > N17 8AJ > > London, UK > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://hysteria.sk/catcher > > What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? > Or cares if you > do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is > unrecoverable with > specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? > > I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original > poster's question. > What did you offer? "Write movies to the disk!" You do know that many > countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do > you not? It's > called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks > about the > R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity. > > Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special? > > I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I > and many others > volunteer our time attempting to help others. I definitely > didn't need a > primer course in kitchen arithmetic. With _absolute certainty_ I can > unequivocally state that I didn't need some lurker popping in > to tell me in a > backhand (or direct either) way that I am a mental midget and > less than the > dust beneath his training wheels. > > To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe. > > To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give > it to you first. > > You'd probably still screw it up though. > > Regards; > Charlie > Let the "zings" begin. > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org > Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Beta 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdk > 01:53:54 up 6:33, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.30, 0.27 > I have many CHARTS and DIAGRAMS.. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBEe/xZqvqlrLPr5YRAgQRAJ9XoDLRWe6RqbUqR68mQgH0+TlDaACeMF/v > wnsE8FGoso7NCEslAVMTHpk= > =0gwA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >
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