Bad habits because of how destructive they are. I think I explained why
the mouse support is horrible in linux. The reason it is horrible in
windows was that BG wanted to keep the 3-button mouse off the market so
he could be the one to profit from an additional feature rather than
Logitech, etc.. He sold millions of suckers the "Microsoft Mouse", which
had no improved functionality whatever except to tell the os "I am a MS
Mouse." Catering to victimized people with a 2 button mouse has retarded
functionality. A mouse costs $3. Throw away all 2-button mice. It's
history. That's what happened. Not my fault. You are a great guy, and
you have been very helpful to a lot of people on this list. If I could
only get off of it.... :-)
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
>
> In the open source world (less so in the commercial world), features are
> implemented in the way that developers like, or in the way that users
> pressure developers to do. As I said earlier, a GUI can be a very personal
> thing. Your idea of a "bad habit" probably isn't bad to the rest (or the
> majority) of us. If you feel so strongly about it, then why don't you let the
> developers know, or even get into developing these features yourself?
>
> You seem to prefer a world where everyone agrees with you, and so they
> implement everything just as you want without your interaction. This simply
> is not possible.
>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:20, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> > Doing half of these things is not good enough. I'm talking stuff that
> > could and should have been done five years ago. To do half of those
> > things, a 2 button mouse would do. That is the point. There are hardly
> > any relevant settings except switch right and left. No settings for
> > combinations of mb's except to help use a goddam 2 button mouse. Windows
> > users have bad habits, and that has resulted in serious harm to linux
> > software. I am not insulted, merely frustrated by your very negative
> > attitude. :-)
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > > Have you even *looked* at alternatives that *can* do these things? Before
> > > you start bitching, I can say that I'm sure that Sawfish can do at least
> > > half of these things, and its configurability is getting better all the
> > > time. Try looking at the settings instead of just complaining when all of
> > > what you want isn't there by default and served to you on a silver
> > > platter.
> > >
> > > My apologies if I sound rude, but there are many other window managers
> > > out there apart from Enlightenment. Sawfish, in fact, is the GNOME
> > > default, and can do (IMHO) everything that Enlightenment can do and more.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:23, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> > > > One more time:
> > > > I want to be able to select a rectangle full of files and drag the
> > > > lot to another directory using only the mouse. I want to be able to
> > > > copy with the right mb, place with the left mb, and paste with the
> > > > middle. I want to be able to call up a menu for gnome and Enlightenment
> > > > complete by clicking buttons 1&2. I want to be able to start a program
> > > > with a single click, and drag with the right mouse button instead of
> > > > the left, which was a better way, because it made group select work. I
> > > > want to call up the running items in a desktop by clicking 2&3. I want
> > > > to delete by clicking 1&3. I want to be able to scroll faster or slower
> > > > by using combinations of mb's. I want 1&2&3 to do something. KDE won't
> > > > do it because W$ won't do it, and they intend to be able to port stuff
> > > > to W$. Gnome won't do it because they listen mainly to W$ users, and W$
> > > > users *have* *bad* *habits*.
> > > > I don't want to restrict anything. You do.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Myers wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 14 December 2000 05:09 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > I guess everybody's entitled to their opinion, but to put down the
> > > > > > hard work of the KDE developers (never used Gnome but I bet they've
> > > > > > put lots of blood, sweat and tears into it as well) is something
> > > > > > that I for one bristle at.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The configurability of the KDE interface is clearly deeper than you
> > > > > > have cared to go; I am certain that one of the developers could
> > > > > > enlighten you as to how to adjust your interface to your
> > > > > > preference(way better than me)
> > > > > > _if_they_weren't_so_busy_working_on_making_all_our_lives_better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> > > > > > > I guess I failed to make my point. There should be no double
> > > > > > > clicking at all. There should be group select and drag. There
> > > > > > > should be no nono nonono alt or ctl + mousebutton clicks ever.
> > > > > > > Only one mouse button, never two, should bring up a menu. We
> > > > > > > don't have this because the people at kde and gnome keep
> > > > > > > trying to be like windows instead of better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -michael- wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have a Logitec laser mouse with 2 buttons and a scroller. I
> > > > > > > > am thrilled with mandrake's support of it in the kde environ.
> > > > > > > > windows requires other drivers and so it's just another proof
> > > > > > > > of linux' superiority imho.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ian Land wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Well, that's only true if you use a window manager like
> > > > > > > > > > KDE. Others, like Gnome, use double-clicks. So, a
> > > > > > > > > > single-click is not "the Linux way". The Windows gui can be
> > > > > > > > > > configured to act like Internet Explorer, which also means
> > > > > > > > > > single-clicks. This isn't an OS question, it's a gui
> > > > > > > > > > question.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One of the "bad habits" is having to double-click
> > > > > > > > > > > when a single click will do. For those of us
> > > > > > > > > > > who use both OS's it's quite distracting, and I
> > > > > > > > > > > think the Linux way makes more sense.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "They said I was mad; and I said they were mad;
> > > > > > > > > > damn them, they outvoted me"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - Nathaniel Lee
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Windows mouse support stinks, and it is terminally stupid to
> > > > > > > > > continue to support the two button mouse. Both KDE and Gnome
> > > > > > > > > are guilty of this, but KDE is worse because of a desire to
> > > > > > > > > use the qt library for both windows and linux. For the Gnome
> > > > > > > > > developers there is no excuse for their failure to use all
> > > > > > > > > seven mouse buttons. Double clicks should be long gone by
> > > > > > > > > now. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > "You can please some of the people some of the time, and you can
> > > > > please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all
> > > > > of the people all of the time." Somebody famous said that, I forget
> > > > > who. --
> > > > > Dennis Myers registered Linux User #180842
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge
> > > this change.
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
