The reason why M$ has most of the market share, right now. Is cause it
doens't take too much brain power to operate a windows box. For linux it
requires alot of thought in what you are doing, what is going on with
your system. If people like not knowing what their OS is doing then
fine, MS is the way to go. But for power users, and people that really
like to think about what is going on, then Linux/UNIX is the choose of
champs. SUN is rock solid BTW, M$ crashes. For M$ networks, it doesn't
take too much money to suppport, admins are a dime a dozen. MSCE is just
stupid. Their is no value in that cert. For Linux/UNIX, it's much harder
to find someone that knows what they are doing. It's much more expensive
to find a good admin. M$ has it's place. But for high availablity M$ is
not the way to go. I've worked as a windows admin for a very long time.
Then I started to think after time and time again, high traffic sites,
firewalls goes down, day in and out. Moved it over to UNIX and never had
to wake up 3 o'clock AM to fix some dumb M$ problem any more. And the
fact that when you reboot it solves 75% of M$ problems , then that is a
mjor issue to me. Explain it to your boss that you rebooted and it fixed
the problem, but your not quite sure what happened. That is welcome to
M$. But there will always be a place for M$, cause people like
cheap,easy solutions. But it all goes to show , you get what you pay
for.
--Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Romanator
Sent: Fri 6/15/2001 6:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Solver
Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
You're looking through rose colored glasses. I think you better
look at
Microsoft's new policy on what they support. They have dropped
support
for number of their OSes. I take it you have never worked in an
office
environment in software programming.
Solver wrote:
>
> I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my
enemies -
> they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced
functionality and
> especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I
believe that
> they're doing everything the right way.
> Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can
put your file
> on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same
Windows and Word
> there. The worst I could imagine is this:
> Windows - 40%
> Linux - 30%
> MacOS - 10%
> BeOS - 5%
> Solaris - 5%
> Other - 5%
> Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If
Linux user, you
> had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac
doesn't read these
> disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you
going, and what
> the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost
sure what I'll
> see there.
> Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide
the product to
> you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with
support,
> updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others,
but they won't
> give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome.
And, another
> thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're
everywhere, and
> one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins
on their work
> at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice
animals.
>
> Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled
software. When
> I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the
first thing I
> done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use
dual-boot W98,
> and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd
still run
> Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't
love when
> something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install
everything
> myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I
did feel unsure
> installing Windows for the first time, as I also did
installing Linux and
> BeOS for the first time. It all passes.
> Solver
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Rules Address for MDK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Romanator"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
>
> > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably
come to all
> our
> > houses to check for copies of illegal software...
> >
> > like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays
with...
> >
> > they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat
something that
> is
> > not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out
as long as
> > possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread
well used
> solution
> > like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it
for a while
> > too... for a while..
> >
> >
> > The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on
linux should be
> an
> > indication of that...
> >
> >
> > its a delaying tactic is all...
> >
> > don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it..
> >
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Romanator
> > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
> >
> >
> > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for
writing these
> > articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers
must ship
> > the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to
print. However, I
> > wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air.
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article
all over the
> > > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and
even ZDNet
> > > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by
Microsoft) are in
> > > direct contrast to those made by other research companies.
IDC, for
> > > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and
others
> > > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought
> > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single
copy can be
> > > used on an unlimited number of computers.
> > >
> > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a
computer without
> > > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses,
but when they
> > > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install
GNU/Linux. As
> > > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially
installed, it
> > > is counted as a Windows machine.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk:
> > > >
> > > > ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html)
> > > >
> > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft
> > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
> > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT
> > > >
> > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the
proportion of
> > > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per
cent.
> > > >
> > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt
claims that this
> > > > figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but
excludes server
> > > > appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically
lower than
> > > > the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of that
8.6 per cent,
> > > > eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and 0.6 per cent
to other
> > > > distros.
> > > >
> > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was
made public
> > > > yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > We don't usually hear about analyst
surveys from
> > > > vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note
dropped in
> > > > from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom.
> > > >
> > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in
line with what
> > > > we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a
friendly
> > > > Wagg-Ed flak.
> > > >
> > > > Now there's some dispute over what a
'shipment'
> > > > actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller
points out in
> > > > this analysis. And he has a very good point: for
example, Gartner
> > > > pegs Linux shipments in the supercomputer space as
'zero' this year.
> > > > In fact Linux is well established on commodity parallel
clusters at
> > > > many scientific sites. Many of these were assembled
in-house, so a
> > > > shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working
installation.
> > > >
> > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive
strike may be
> > > > tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments
of Linux -
> > > > even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment'
and 'server'
> > > > - will mushroom in the next four years.
> > > >
> > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment
will quadruple
> > > > from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with
explosive
> > > > growth in the supercomputer area: up from that dubious
'zero' this
> > > > year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000
range - the
> > > > low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments will
increase ninefold.
> > > > In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold.
> > > >
> > > > So this may be a case of the Beast
getting its
> > > > retaliation in first.
> > > >
> > > > Might be interesting to know :-)
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> > > "There are two major products that come from
Berkeley:
> > > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a
coincidence."
> > > -- Jeremy S. Anderson
> >
> > --
> > Roman
> > Registered Linux User #179293
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