I don't think that most linux users hate microsoft, particularly since many
of use use windows as well or dual boot with windows,
I think most people just dislike the idea that we should be pressured to use
microsoft, its all about the right of choise, and microsoft have many times
indicated that we should not be given that choice. If you don't believe
that, then explain why microsoft are legally persueing any company that
wants to buy computers without windows reloaded?
there are two explanations for it..
1.. Microsofts version,,,, ie that people might be using old copies of
windows liciensed for old computers...
2.. The truth, any method that ensures that companies like dell insist that
people buy PC's with windows preloaded is a good method to ensure that
windows market share isn't reduced by people having a choise...
One thing to keep in mind people,,,
if we think that microsoft are worried about linux and we know they keep a
close eye on whats happening in the linux world, don't you think there is a
good chance that there is someone on this list that may well be in
microsofts employ?? where do you think they get their market info and ideas
from???
I will bet that MS are subscribed to this list, Redhats, Suse and most or
all of the other distro's lists as well..
what better way to learn of linux weak spots, and how they stand in various
areas?? ??
I would be surprised if there wasn't ms people listening on this list....
Its an interesting thought....
rgds
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Solver
Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2001 10:27 PM
To: Romanator
Cc: Linux Newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
>I take it you have never worked in an office
> environment in software programming.
A miss! I have, I'm a developer, perhaps. OK, no matter what I do, I just
can't find anything bad about MS, that would disappoint me, and I dislike
the fact that Linux users hate MS, that is very shameful for me.
Solver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Romanator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Solver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
> You're looking through rose colored glasses. I think you better look at
> Microsoft's new policy on what they support. They have dropped support
> for number of their OSes. I take it you have never worked in an office
> environment in software programming.
>
>
> Solver wrote:
> >
> > I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies -
> > they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and
> > especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe
that
> > they're doing everything the right way.
> > Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your
file
> > on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and
Word
> > there. The worst I could imagine is this:
> > Windows - 40%
> > Linux - 30%
> > MacOS - 10%
> > BeOS - 5%
> > Solaris - 5%
> > Other - 5%
> > Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user,
you
> > had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read
these
> > disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and
what
> > the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what
I'll
> > see there.
> > Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the
product to
> > you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support,
> > updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they
won't
> > give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And,
another
> > thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere,
and
> > one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their
work
> > at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals.
> >
> > Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software.
When
> > I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing
I
> > done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot
W98,
> > and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run
> > Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when
> > something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything
> > myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel
unsure
> > installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux
and
> > BeOS for the first time. It all passes.
> > Solver
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Rules Address for MDK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Romanator"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
> >
> > > If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to
all
> > our
> > > houses to check for copies of illegal software...
> > >
> > > like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with...
> > >
> > > they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something
that
> > is
> > > not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as
> > > possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used
> > solution
> > > like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a
while
> > > too... for a while..
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should
be
> > an
> > > indication of that...
> > >
> > >
> > > its a delaying tactic is all...
> > >
> > > don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it..
> > >
> > >
> > > rgds
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator
> > > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
> > >
> > >
> > > I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a "gift" for writing
these
> > > articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship
> > > the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However,
I
> > > wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air.
> > >
> > > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over
the
> > > > Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet
> > > > itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in
> > > > direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for
> > > > example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others
> > > > recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought
> > > > shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can
be
> > > > used on an unlimited number of computers.
> > > >
> > > > Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer
without
> > > > Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when
they
> > > > get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux.
As
> > > > the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it
> > > > is counted as a Windows machine.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > A story from www.theregister.co.uk:
> > > > >
> > > > > (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html)
> > > > >
> > > > > No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft
> > > > > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
> > > > > Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT
> > > > >
> > > > > Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of
> > > > > Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that
this
> > > > > figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes server
> > > > > appliances such as Sun's Cobalt range - is dramatically lower than
> > > > > the 20 per cent plus cited by arch rivals IDC. Of that 8.6 per
cent,
> > > > > eight per cent is attributed to Red Hat and 0.6 per cent to other
> > > > > distros.
> > > > >
> > > > > The survey is dated May 30, but was made
public
> > > > > yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't usually hear about analyst surveys
from
> > > > > vendors in advance of publication. But yesterday a note dropped in
> > > > > from Microsoft's PR company, Waggener Edstrom.
> > > > >
> > > > > "8.6 per cent is... certainly in line with
what
> > > > > we are hearing from our customers and partners," wrote a friendly
> > > > > Wagg-Ed flak.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now there's some dispute over what a
'shipment'
> > > > > actually involves, as NewsForge's Rob 'roblimo' Miller points out
in
> > > > > this analysis. And he has a very good point: for example, Gartner
> > > > > pegs Linux shipments in the supercomputer space as 'zero' this
year.
> > > > > In fact Linux is well established on commodity parallel clusters
at
> > > > > many scientific sites. Many of these were assembled in-house, so a
> > > > > shipment clearly doesn't correlate to a working installation.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, Microsoft's pre-emptive strike may be
> > > > > tactical. Hewitt actually predicts that volume shipments of
Linux -
> > > > > even using Gartner's contested definition of 'shipment' and
'server'
> > > > > - will mushroom in the next four years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Total worldwide Linux deployment will
quadruple
> > > > > from 2.4 million to 9.1 million, predicts Gartner, with explosive
> > > > > growth in the supercomputer area: up from that dubious 'zero' this
> > > > > year to over 5000 by 2005. In the $25,000 to $100,000 range - the
> > > > > low-end company workhorse - Linux shipments will increase
ninefold.
> > > > > In the sub-$5000 space, Linux will grow over six fold.
> > > > >
> > > > > So this may be a case of the Beast getting its
> > > > > retaliation in first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Might be interesting to know :-)
> > > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> > > > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
> > > > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
> > > > -- Jeremy S. Anderson
> > >
> > > --
> > > Roman
> > > Registered Linux User #179293
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