On Saturday 23 June 2001 11:17 am, Romanator wrote:
> You also hit the nail. Our market is flooded with so much substandard
> ICs and boards. I have caught many errors or crashes caused by
> hardware of which I thought was caused by software. I ended up
> replacing a board or chip and the crash disapeared. Is there a "Wall
> Of Shame web page to post vendors/retailers and hardware that should
> be avoided for users?
>
> Roman

    Well, sort'a kind'a, but in reverse.  Go to any of the 'magazine' 
review sites that push/recommend/advertise Windoze hardware ... like 
Cnet, ZDnet, etc. That's usually a strong indication of what NOT to buy 
and avoid ;>  Good 'Wall of Shame' pages.  

   Also, if you need to d/l closed source, binary only drivers to make 
somethin fully functional, or work at all on Linux, that's a fair 
indicator it's "use at your own risk, avoid if you possibly can" 
hardware.  So those manufacturers webpages and ftp sites make good 
'Wall of Shame' pages.
  Jeezzzz, I bet I'm p!$$in off a bunch of GeForce owners ;~>

   AND then there's also many ready made manufacturers that have 
websites, like Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc. ..... that make it easy to 
figure out what complete systems to shun and avoid.  These are the best
'Wall of Shame' pages.
   Now I know I've p!$$ed off a bunch of y'all ;>>

   'Course in all my pontificating, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out 
that the responsibility for suitable hardware to run Linux on is solely 
the Linux users.  Hopefully they make themselves aware of win-hardare 
and closed source driver issues before they even think about installing 
Linux for the first time. So there could be a 'Wall of Shame' page for 
some Linux users too. 'Course many of them wouldn't know, or accept if 
they did, that they're part of the win-hardware, Wintel problem.
I'd nominate anyone who posts to this list "but it works in Windows"....

  as always, Y'alls MMV ;>    Wall of Shame � Romanator  ;)
-- 
Tom Brinkman      [EMAIL PROTECTED]     Galveston Bay

>
> Tom Brinkman wrote:
> >     I agree with all you say Sridhar, but I believe you didn't go
> > nearly far enough. Intel, Windoze, and the big readymade vendors
> > like Dell, love to push Wintel (eg, win motherboards, winmodems,
> > winprinters, win video, win sound, win monitors, etc) on computer
> > illiterate users. Neither Linux nor most of it's more savvy users
> > will or can tolerate this substandard corner-cutting junk and the
> > closed source/binary only drivers it requires to function.
  <snip>

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