I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years
have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the
willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their
PC's They're just going to have to open a book and (GASP!!) read ! Learning
is not a bad thing. Seeing how we're going to be depending on computers more
and more, it would make sense to learn what's under the hood, don't you
think??
Dan
On June 23, 2001 01:57 pm, you wrote:
> people can only help if they know of your problem,,,
>
> I have had many problems that I've had to solve myself,, because others
> have no knowledge of it...
>
> the fact is, that for many of the problems I have had, this list has been
> invaluable...
>
> The best way of fixing probs i have had, is to go to the linux goggle site,
> and enter in the error message.,..
>
> I ususally find dozens of email archives about it and many include possible
> fixes...
>
> linux is a huge collection of apps... far more then MS, thats its power and
> its detrement...
> power because it can do almost anything, and detriment because it makes
> support that much harder...
>
> but over all, the extra apps and capabilities are worth the extra hassle...
>
> rgds
>
> Frank...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai
> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2001 1:36 AM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
>
>
> right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that
> push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this
> mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed
> Sent: 24 June 2001 01:01
> To: Romanator; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
>
> On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote:
> > Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you
> > have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom.
> >
> >
> > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277
> >8923,00.html
> >
> >
> > Roman
> > Registered Linux User #179293
> > Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
>
> ok, here we go again. i'm so happy when you guys post stuff
> like this because in all seriousness, all it does is piss
> me off. so forgive me because i'm about to spout.
>
> ok, not suited for the desktop? then why, oh why, do i use
> linux for EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMES...ok? ACTUALLY, i take
> that back! now i have Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, and a boat
> load of FREE ones that i play on my linux box when i feel
> the need.
>
> you see, the miracle of this FREE OS is that it's conquered
> the HEARTS of people who TRULY APPRECIATE COMPUTING. the
> CORPORATE CULTURE lends itself to the world of MONEY and
> ADVOCACY. along with that, add freaky phrases like
> LICENSING, and PIRACY, and .net. how could they (meaning
> those WINTEL bastards) capitalize or function with a FREE
> system? they simply can't SELL IT. a lot of them don't even
> understand that it's for real. trust me...i work with these
> guys every day. again, a lot of these guys ASSUME that
> because it's free, then it must be, in linus's own words,
> 'a piece of crap'.
>
> linux is based on an IDEA...a principle if you
> will....FREE. intel, and all these other idiots can shut
> the hell up. they're whining and complaining like every
> other typical american consumer when they get something for
> free. WHAT? I HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER? i try to make an
> analogy for people...something like: what if instead of
> just buying a car, you were sent the parts....all of
> them....for free or at least for a very low price (which,
> by the way, can be done of course). the problem is, the car
> is completely disassembled. you don't even know where to
> start. so, you would probably spend a lot of TIME trying to
> figure it out. but, if you're curiosity factor was strong
> enough, you'd go out and spend a souple o' bucks on a
> CHILTON and start learning how to put the sucker together.
> eventuallly, through a little trial and error, you WOULD
> learn how to build a car...by reading the manuals and
> ASKING OTHER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE (aka mailing list!!!) how
> to put certain things together. maybe you would NEED to
> spend some extra cash for a mechanic to help you...maybe
> you would NEED to spend the extra cash to beef up your
> engine a little. but, after SUCCESSFULLY building your car,
> you would have yourself one nice ride. AND, then you could
> SHARE (aka bragging LOL) your experience with others who
> want to know how to do it. difficult process? yes. time
> consuming? yes. but in the end, you should feel pretty damn
> good because you just built your own car. AKA LINUX.
>
> this OS was never intentionally made for the market...it
> was a college kid's science project and of course, we've
> found a way to 'bastardize' it and throw it into out
> corporate marketplace. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR.
> you all need to get that clear in your head...NOW. it's an
> experiment...it's a hobby...it is POWERFUL but it's power
> does NOT BELONG TO ANY ONE PERSON OR COMPANY. the beauty of
> this silly little science project is that NEVER has any one
> stupid little computer gadget sparked such a community
> effort worldwide! never has something so 'marketable' (aka
> FREE) become so available! think about it. i read these
> lists every day and more and more and more people are
> beginning to realize that the way we are 'used' to doing
> things does not have to be goverened by one company who's
> selling the 'standard' set of software with the 'standard'
> OS for a seemingly reasonable price...as long as you don't
> make illegal copies, you won't go to jail. isn't that a
> nice feeling? me thinks not. you now have a CHOICE. INTEL,
> has a CHOICE. M$, INTEL, Apple, AMD, ALL those guys...they
> can write all the shallow arguments they want.
>
> if linux is so 'non-standard', then why are there literally
> HUNDREDS of desktop environments available...and program
> packages? HELLOOO! what the hell is KDE? i've only been
> using linux for about a year now and in just a YEAR, i've
> seen KDE grow into something M$ WISHES they had. i just
> don't get where the hell they're going with THEIR argument.
> linux is the coolest damn thing since the friggin' ball
> point pen! all these companies...they're just PISSED
> because THEY DIDN'T THINK OF IT FIRST!
>
> if you like AOL, email, 'OFFICE' and all that shit, go
> ahead and stick with M$ because honeslty, i really have no
> problem with M$. hell, i studied their stuff and took their
> tests and i even got a great job as an NT admin.
>
> if you want to LEARN about REAL computing and learn how to
> write your own programs and have a little FUN while you're
> at it, use linux dammit.
>
> p.s. i use the XFCE desktop on my box and i LOVE it.
> www.xfce.org - check it out!
>
> it's nice to have a CHOICE instead of my choices all being
> made for me. THAT, is truly american...independence and
> individual thinking. freedom. thanks for letting me
> vent...i'll shut up now.
>
> --
>
> +-----
> + Jeffrey M. Reed
> + Linux System Administrator
> + Metro West Boston Linux User Group
> + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> + (508)792-6070
> +-----
