Firstly, I wasn't talking about me.. I was refering to people unfamiliar with the proceedure.. I have always managed to get things going.. but I know a shitload of people that haven't been able to.
<snip> ..Wow, what a lazy bunch of buggers! </snip> First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is moot: I have yet to look any further than my own LM install disks for libraries-- LM is probably better than many distros out there as they actually provide you with more than one install CD and all the stuff they offer has been compiled for a Mandrake system so it's going to work. <snip> like I said, not my problem, but you don't have to install them in windows,, (their method sux, with overwriting and such, but it does make it more or less dead easy.) </snip> Second, no one says you *have* to install the latest kernel and it isn't even necessary unless you're adding brand new hardware that didn't exist six months ago-- how many of you out there are installing kernels just because it has a higher number? <snip> What about the recommended kernel upgrades, there have always been some in the last few mdk versions.. sometimes more then one,, (ie 7.2) 8 has had a security kernel upgrade, and mandrake 8.1 has one now too. (to address the recent ptrace bug and others..) </snip> By-and-by the install process is standard-- using RPMs is easy enough and for the odd times when I have to compile there's always an "install.sh" or "configure.sh"-- and another silly thing that even comes with Windoze installations: README files-- how many of you have failed to install something properly because you didn't read the instructions. <snip> I didn't claim that windows was better, I loath windows and M$, but it is undeniably easier. 5000,000 morons can't be wrong. :-) </snip> Bottom line: If you want something 'Just like Windows' then use Windows. There is no such thing as out-and-out replacing an OS. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. <snip> I don't deny that at all, and I wasn't refering to that at all... I simply made a suggestion, such suggestions are the reason that KDE, Gnome and others are slowly reaching the same level of functionality as windows.. don't be a puritan, things don't have to be hard.. I can do it the hard way as well as anyone, I am just not so short sighted as to think that it may not be the most productive way to always do it the hard way.. and incidently, all I said was to create a self executable tar file or something that can do the hard work for you, and then make it a standard.. and just you watch, it will happen. each distro will end up with a file in it somewhere that details its locations policy, and the install tar can read that to work out where to install everything, and it could automatically update the rpm database, go and get libs or whatever (assuming it doesn't contain them already) and it would make loading apps easier then windows, which means FAST to install, meaning more productive.. I am not even concerned with difficulty myself, I don't give a rats to be quiet honest. I am concerned with getting it done fast, and moving on,, I don't like to dick around when I could be doing something more productive.. EFFICIENCY... thats what it is all about, "More bang for your Click" so to speak.. (thats not a bad theme that.. :-) </snip> And while we're at it the day Linux starts acting completely like Windows is the same day I have to defragment my ReiserFS partition after I do a virus scan because my firewalling software didn't work. <snip> So you equate ease with worth? if something isn't hard to do or time consuming, then it can't be any good? thats just outright bullshit,, how many sysadmins are not overworked? I know I am,, so anything that makes my job faster, means I am more productive, end of story. </snip> Linux is different. Get over it! I really don't care if my neighbour is using it or not, I just want Linux to be there so I have a choice in how I use my PC. Period! <snip> ditto, and the fact that I use linux on servers mostly, goes to show that I don't want it to be "winblows" (shudder) nothing wrong with efficiency though.. </snip> rgds Frank Richie
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