Jeez, what's with all this heavy artillery. I didn't say it was junk. I offered the installer wasn't well written. You came at me with guns a'blazin, Ric! I've been in this business a long time, and I don't appreciate judgemental crap about "lame" options, not R'ing TFM, etc.
>I actually do have a great deal of patience. I spend a lot of time helping >folks, who demonstrate a desire to help themselves, and are trying to learn. I know you do. We all appreciate that. But don't be uncivil. Offering a less-than-shining opinion about a piece of code does not warrant personal attacks. > Yes, Linux is an advanced operating system. It does require spending > some time learning it. No experienced Linux user, or admin would say > differently. And neither would I. We all have to start somewhere, and unfortunately the installer is that "somewhere". > To get the most out of Linux, and this list, spend some time educating > yourself before proclaiming Mandrake to be junk because it won't install > right, when the install error was yours. > > Nobody's proclaiming any such thing. If you'd stop being so blasted defensive on everyone else's behalf we'd get something done. The problem was this: I DID use the expert mode. I had created partitions using System Commander before starting the Mandrake install. After some minor adjustments in the installer I wrote the partition table and continued with the install. At some point I realized the installer was taking me somewhere I didn't want to go, but the cancel button wouldn't work, and I couldn't identify a backout strategy from the buttons on the dialog. Civelene's comment about expectations was probably right on the mark :- > At the moment we are having more bad results from veteran installers than > 12-year-olds who have never seen an installer before. So we are learning > that there is a definite expectation induced by prior experience that may > distort perceptions of users into assuming they see things they do not. Thank you, Civilene. I think you've got it in a nutshell. Let's all get back to helping each other out and not defending Linux - it doesn't need it. Julian.
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