> From: Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Battle Creek has backed off their moronic lawsuit. ORBZ will be
> back.
>
> Miark
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:46:38 -0500, Gerald Waugh 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> > orbz , which is now defunct is blocking me at mandrax

Actually, orbz doesnt block, unless mandrax is hosted by 
penguinhosting.  orbz publishes a list of who in their opinion has 
open relays whom they choose to block at their domain.  They require 
no one else to use it for any purposes.  

Think of it as an electronic Consumer Reports.  If Consumer Reports 
says the Isuzu tends to roll, and then you choose on that basis not 
to buy an Isuzu, did CR make that choice, or did you?

Mandrax chooses to accept the accuracy of that list, and chooses 
because of that not to accept traffic from frontstreetnetworks.com

Or alternatively, frontstreetnetworks.com has its MTA configured 
incorrectly to reject all traffic when ORBZ doesnt respond.  I've 
seen a very few of those, which in each case were quickly fixed.

> From: Charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I read this earlier:  http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html
> Are you sure ORBZ will be back? It's the same 'blacklist service'
> that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of "an
> open relay" on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something
> about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as
> fruitful as talking to a rock.
>

Per Ian Gulliver (owner of ORBZ), ORBZ will not run its DNSBL again.  
However, he says he has a solution negotiated with someone else.  My 
guess is that it will be moved out of the US and run by another 
service.  

I know the spam load has been significantly higher while he is down.  
I hope the replacement comes soon.

And ORBZ doesnt block you, unless you try to send email to orbz.org.  
See my response above.  I can't see the IPA that you are posting from 
because I get newbie in digest form, but querying osirusoft at 
http://combat.uxn.com will let you see what if any other lists your 
IPA made it on to.
 
You have a couple of solutions:

1) Ask the LUG to ask their ISP to white list your IPA.  If ORBZ is 
the only one listing you, and there hasnt been any spam thru that 
IPA, the chance is fair.

2) Sue your cable company, or complain to whichever local government 
body regulates them. By maintaining an open relay and failing to 
close it, thereby getting listed, they arent delivering the 
connectivity you paid for and they promised.  


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