On January 17, 2006 12:59, Russ Kepler wrote: > On Tuesday 17 January 2006 12:40 pm, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: > > Well, I'm having no problems receiving mail from anyone, so I don't know > > why a mail to me would have bounced. Yet, I got kicked from the list. > > Well, really, you don't know that. All you know is that no one is telling > you that they're having trouble getting mail to you.
Not entirely true. For one, I would see that the messages I sent to the list didn't show up. For another, I would see gaps in the threads from the missing messages. For yet another, family & friends (and various vendors) who email and got a bounce would contact me by another route to see what's happening. In fact, I was kicked off immediately after sending a message to the list, yet the message came through to me fine. Do you at least have a log of these bounces, so that when someone complains, you can investigate and find out what might have gone wrong? > > Does Sympa distinguish between temporary and "permanent" problems? On > > occasion I've received warning messages from other mail servers that > > "mail could not be delivered within 4 hours; no action is necessary, I'll > > keep trying". I suspect people are being kicked off because of these > > temporary problems. > > Beats me, like I said, I haven't mucked with the code and don't know. But > the report "mail couldn't be delivered in 4 hours" is a local one from your > mailer telling you it couldn't reach a mail server, and not a report from > the remote system's non-responding server. > > As for 'temporary' vs. 'permanent' messages: just manage a list of a > thousand folks for a little while to get an idea of how many ways a server > can be misconfigured - when there's a standard server. Then there are the > large servers who figure that they can stomp all over the standards (f'you, > AOL) and fail to return anything useful unless it hidden away in some f'in > attachment. I really don't think you can trust the bounce message to > contain any real information, my general rule was to remove anyone who > seemed to be bouncing most all message being sent. > > My suspicion is that the drop happen after a 'messages are being bounced' > message is sent and the warning message is itself bounced. But again, I'm > not going through the code. Be glad to sent it to someone if they want to > hog all the fun. Bottom line is that Sympa, or your particular install of Sympa, is broken. Everyone on the list agrees with that. That's why a mass migration to other independent lists is in progress right now. Unless you fix it very soon now, there won't be anyone left to kick off. -- Ron ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. ____________________________________________________ Want to buy your Pack or Services from Mandriva? Go to http://store.mandriva.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrivaclub.com ____________________________________________________
