On Saturday 18 February 2006 07:47, Margot wrote:

> With the diminishing numbers both here and on the Expert list, I wonder
> if Mandriva should now consider dropping the somewhat artificial
> distinction between 'Newbie' and 'Expert' by merging the two lists into
> a single 'Users' list?

Well, I think that this demonstrates rather well the importance in people 
conforming to expected standards when requesting help from others.  But, 
although there has been a lot of traffic about people leaving the group, I am 
not sure that I have seen too many people asking questions who don't get some 
type of answer, or at least pointers to help them solve problems.

So, I wouldn't despair for the list just yet.  Fact is, people come and people 
go and ultimately, no one is indispensable.  Hopefully, other people will 
come to the list over time and add some new expertise.

Just my .02 though, I do think maintaining separate lists is a good thing.  
Fact is, my expectations for the lists, as I am on both, are different.  I 
expect people on the Expert list to do more of the plain legwork than I do on 
Newbie and expect, in general, the questions to be more exact, the 
information provided to be better and the person better versed in general 
Linux administration, than I do on the Newbie list.  I have a greater 
tendency to ignore people who don't match up to that on the Expert list.

Also, I am much more quick to killfile people who make unreasonable demands, 
have unreasonable expectations, or who violate mailing list conventions and 
standards on the Expert list than I have been on Newbie.  Again, based on 
those different expectations.  That may not necessarily be a good thing since 
repetition of some things can really irritate you over time.  But, I tend to 
give a greater benefit of the doubt on Newbie and suspect that some others 
probably do as well.
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