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--------------------------------- [31] More Becks on Keane --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "Roy has been magnificent all season and that is the sort of person and player he is. When any player gets a certain amount of stick, or any situations go on, on or off the pitch, you expect the other players and the manager to stick by you and that is what we do. Whatever we think is right or wrong or whatever player has done anything in games or off the field, the players rally round and all stick together and it stays in the club." --------------------------------- [30] Stewart on Carlos and his own chances --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "You talk about people who have been there, done it and seen it and Roy's one of those people. Anything he says when he speaks to you then you've got to listen. It's just like you when you listen to the gaffer or Carlos. They have been there and experienced football and Roy's one of those people as well. When he talks he's worth listening to. Football's full of opinions and people from other countries are going to have different ideas of how it should be played. That's interesting to hear what their thoughts are. Carlos is the same. Just because he is not as well known over here you have still got to give him respect.. Carlos has brought a different point of view to things like team-work and getting the ball back which we lost last year. It's always going to tough to play every game for Manchester United but you have got to try and take it. John O'Shea has done very well for United I am looking to wait and take the chance. I feel like I'm ready, but it's not as if the players ahead of me are getting dropped. My long term future is to stay at Manchester United and do well for them and in the next couple of months I might get a chance and do well so that will give me more experience." --------------------------------- [29] Michael Stewart backs Keano --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "We are totally behind him. In my view the referee let the first incident go when Jason McAteer brought him down and the referee should have stamped it out there and then. He let it go and you could quite clearly see something was going to happen Roy shouldn't have lifted his hand up, but it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. Of course the lads are behind him. He is a captain, a great player, a great man and Keano will get over these things. He has had it in the past and he'll handle it this time no problem." --------------------------------- [28] Silvestre on Sunderland --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "We missed a good opportunity - it was two points lost rather than one point won We had the game under control, especially in the first half and created some good chances, but we wasted them. It's frustrating when you know you should do better and come away with three points." --------------------------------- [27] Fergie on injury worries --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: :"We've been unlucky in the defence. But Phil is still available - he might be playing :on his own! Rio's OK of course and Laurent and John . We'll be OK." --------------------------------- [26] FA on banning proceedure --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "Any suspension starts immediately or two weeks after the verdict of a tribunal." --------------------------------- [25] Silvestre on fitness test --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "It was my back and my neck - the vertebrae. I don't know if I'll be fit to play against Middlesbrough or not - I'll be having a fitness test on Tuesday morning." --------------------------------- [24] Roy's Red record --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: >From thisislondon.co.uk Roy Keane's record of ill-discipline may have marred his reputation as one of the world's best players but the Manchester United midfielder is not the worst red-card offender to have played in this country. The Irishman trails in joint sixth place in the hall of shame after his sending-off against Sunderland last Saturday. Further down the standings is Arsenal's bad boy Patrick Vieira. His red card against Chelsea at the weekend means he has now been sent off eight times. Both men have been sent off about once a season with Keane getting his marching orders once every 47 games and Vieira once every 42 matches on average. Neither have records to match the ill-discipline of former Queens Park Rangers defender Mark Dennis or ex-Scotland winger Willie Johnston. Willie Johnston (Rangers, West Brom, Birmingham, Vancouver Whitecaps, Hearts) 21 red cards in 652 games (once every 31 matches) Roy McDonough (Birmingham, Walsall, Chelsea, Cochester, Southend, Exeter, Cambridge) 13 r! ed cards in 604 games (once every 46 matches) Steve Walsh (Wigan, Leicester, Norwich, Coventry) 13 red cards in 609 games (once every 47 matches) Vinnie Jones (Wimbledon, Leeds, Sheffield United, Chelsea, Queens Park Rangers) 12 red cards in 492 games (once every 41 matches) Mark Dennis (Birmingham, Southampton, Queens Park Rangers) 12 red cards in 325 games (once every 27 matches) Dennis Wise (Wimbledon, Chelsea, Leicester) 11 red cards in 629 games (once every 57 matches) Roy Keane (Nottingham Forest, Manchester United) 11 red cards in 520 games (once every 47 matches) Patrick Vieira (Cannes, AC Milan, Arsenal) 8 red cards in 333 games (once every 42 matches) --------------------------------- [23] Israel tickets go fast --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: This from Tal in Israel According to the Israeli newspapers Maccabi Haifa will start today selling tickets to their own fans for the home games in cyprus, which probably means that the Israeli club don't belive anymore about the possibility to entertain their home games in Israel. In the first day of selling tickets to the Haifa fans for the game at old-trafford 2,000 were already sold and and the 1,000 remain probably will be sold today. The jewish community in Manchester invited maccabi haifa to be their gusts when the team will arrive to manchester. Eyal Berkovic in his weekly article in the Israel leading newspaper said he is going to a lot of the United games in europe at old-trafford and he can tell the haifa players that it is mighty experience!!! that the haifa players can look forward to. tal m.u.f.c --------------------------------- [22] Porno fan? --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by redend: Porno - Irvine Welsh's latest offering - a sequel to trainspotting - have it. http://www.rednews.co.uk/ama.php?id=022406181X Check http://www.rednews.co.uk to view the image which has been removed from plain text email version of news Review Porno is a sequel to Trainspotting, and builds on the success of that caustic and very funny novel by taking some of the characters through some radical new catastrophes. Sick Boy returns to Edinburgh with his ventures as a pimp and hustler in London having gone pear-shaped. Desperate for money, he comes up with a new idea, one that (he hopes) will really rake in the cash: the production of a low-rent porn film. Now Welsh introduces us to a new development: the novel’s Sick Girl, Nicola Fuller-Smith, the object of Sick Boy's fevered lust, whom he also believes will be his passport to all kinds of substance-abusing happiness - needless to say, he’s in for a rude awakening.... ...."> --------------------------------- [21] Fans forum elections --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by redend: Will it still be a shambles where the board ignore recommendations made by the forum on matters such as pricing and rewarding loyalty re: ticket distribution? Still, better to have some proper Reds on there instead of some of the numpties we hear got drawn out of Peter's big tombola in the last raffle. http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=21371 http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=21371 Manchester United are looking for members to join the Fans Forum discussion group. Because it is important to us that the fans' voice is heard the club is currently seeking volunteers to sit as representatives on this season's Supporters' Consultative Forum. For the 2002/03 season the Forum will have 16 representatives - one more than in previous years. Rules stipulate that half of the 12 non-reserved seats must change this season, leaving a total of seven vacancies (the three reserved seats are for IMUSA, Shareholders United and the Disabled Supporters' Association). Four meetings are scheduled for this season, and will be held on home match days. The club has appointed Electoral Reform Services, not-for-profit balloting organisation, to administer the process. Details on the fans forum http://www.manutd.com/pdf/fansforum.pdf http://www.manutd.com/pdf/fansforum.pdf --------------------------------- [20] Euro away ticket info --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by redend: The away games in the 1st Group Stage of the Champions League are as follows: Bayer Leverkusen - Tuesday 24th September Olympiakos - Wednesday 23rd October Maccabi Haifa - Tuesday 29th October We are currently in the process of writing to all members who travelled on the club's day trip or purchased tickets and actually attended the game in Hungary versus Zalaegerszeg in the Qualifying Round of the competition, inviting them to apply for travel or tickets for first away match versus Bayer Leverkusen. However, if you did not attend this game but you are interested in purchasing tickets only in order to make your own travel arrangements or require details on club travel options, please register your interest by email stating your name, address, membership number and daytime contact numbers. Information will then be sent by post as soon as it becomes available. Please specify your choice either 'Ticket Only' or 'Club Travel'. Our special email address for this purpose is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently awaiting details regarding the ticket allocation we are to receive and the price. This information together with full details of the club's travel packages available to Germany will be made via this service and all our usual channels in due course. It should be noted that booking forms for both ticket only and club travel will be made available to personal callers from the Ticketing & Membership Services office from Tuesday 3rd September when we are at home to Middlesbrough. Whilst applications will be invited from all members, priority in the first instance for both ticket only and club travel will be given to those members who either travelled on the club's day trip or purchased tickets and actually attended the game in Hungary. They have until Wednesday 11th September when we play Bolton Wanderers at home to return the form in order to gain this priority after which time, sales will be opened out to other members. If you have any queries or require further regarding this game please telephone 0870 442 1994 during office hours, which are Monday to Friday 9.00am - 5.00pm. Information regarding ticket and club travel for the away game versus Olympiakos and Maccabi Haifa will be made known via all our usual channels in due course. --------------------------------- [19] Order a Red News sub online --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Thanks to our new link with the safe, simple to use and world wide massively known paypal you can now order your 10 issue subscription to Red News the fanzine via credit card payment, ordering online from wherever you live in the world, getting the mag to your door. To order the 10 issue sub to be sent to a UK address click on To order the 10 issue sub to be sent to an address in the rest of the world click on And those philanthropists out there can help with our costs by making an online donation via paypal. Doesn't matter how small the amount is, every bit helps with the costs of the site - thanks. click on. --------------------------------- [18] All books are off? --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Keano is down for a signing session of his book on Saturday in Manchester, Sunday in London. We presume these will now be cancelled. --------------------------------- [17] Don't be tight, be nice! --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Well, it nearly rhymes, Last chance to get the current Red News tonight. Issue 87. Just £1.50. Catch an exclusive short chat with Eric Cantona. An indepth look at our new Number 2. Keano, Gossip. The World Cup, the Commonwealth games, we've got it all. Oh and a bit about someone called Rio. --------------------------------- [16] Fergie on tonight --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: What, there's a game! "We're not too badly off in the midfield department with Nicky Butt coming back. Steve McClaren has done an excellent job at Middlesbrough and I'm sure his team will come here and defend like they did last season. It's up to us to break them down. We created a lot of chances at Sunderland and should have scored more." --------------------------------- [15] Keane op will be today? --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Fergie "Roy is going in for an operation on his hip and is therefore out of the Middlesbrough game" --------------------------------- [14] Keane set for more court action --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: >From the Guardian 'To add to Keane's troubles the Belfast club Linfield yesterday threatened to sue him, incensed by a reference in his book to their "bigoted supporters". --------------------------------- [13] Fergie on why he didn't have op when he came back from the World Cup --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "In the middle of all that carry-on it proved too much of a distraction for him" --------------------------------- [12] More Fergie on Keane --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: If the FA postpone any hearing over the book until he's fit, United will go hell for leather to make it illegal. And too bloody right "We hope we will have him back by the end of the year and by then that we will have qualified for the second phase of the Champions League. Roy has been getting by impressively. I wanted him to have the operation early last summer but he wanted to go to the World Cup with Ireland." --------------------------------- [11] And least there is always siddy to laugh at --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Anelka "I want Manchester City to become a great club — so that people talk about Manchester, meaning Manchester City and not United." --------------------------------- [10] Phil Neville on youth set up --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "Chelsea have a lot of good young English players but they are not given a chance. Arsenal won the Youth Cup twice in the last three years but you don't see their young players coming through, either. At Manchester United the situation is different. If you are good enough you play. We have lads such as Michael Stewart, John O'Shea and Paul Tierney, 19, all coming through." --------------------------------- [9] Becks backs Keano --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "You see Roy's arm come across but I do not think he caught him as much as he made out. I said to McAteer that he should not have even gone down. Of course Roy knows he shouldn't have done it. He is disappointed because that's the sort of person he is and he told us that after the game. He is our captain, a United player and we will stick by him." --------------------------------- [8] More tripe from Sadarse --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: 'The way things are looking now, Keane will not miss a single game for his outbursts on the printed page and violence on the pitch. He will serve any consequent suspension while recuperating from a hip operation for which he enters hospital today, ruling him out of tonight's clash with Middlesbrough. That recovery is likely to take until December at which stage, presumably, he will be fit and ready to take his place in United's quest for honours in the Premiership and Champions League. And it STINKS.' And on and on in all the papers this goes. Sadler dismisses the announcement of the England squad compared to the villification of Keane. Bowyer and Woodgate must be delighted they've got back in with hardly a whimper. Now which is the more sickening - Keane or the fact that Bowyer will soon be wearing his national kit in a competitive fixture whilst also about to face a civil court case. --------------------------------- [7] And we're on to you as well --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: It won't be this issue but next one we'll go right through the daft old sayings of SUN reporter John Sadler who writes today that: 'THEY will roar his name around Old Trafford tonight, even though he won't be there to hear it. The cry will swell until it reaches the very rafters of the Theatre of Dreams: "Keano... Keano ... Keano." Thousands, blinded by unshakeable faith and only too ready to continue their acclaim of the player who has dragged more unwanted baggage into the dressing room than any Manchester United captain in history. Others in the stadium will share the reaction that must be common among the vast majority of right-minded people throughout the country. They will sigh in despair, disgust and disbelief.' We never forget what you said about Eric. To paraphrase: "he is like a dodgy washing machine. Howard Wilkinson has got the deal of his life selling Cantona to United. He'll be off in a year' But don't worry, we'll get all the old quotes out... --------------------------------- [6] Euro away travel --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: MANCHESTER UNITED IN CYPRUS Manchester United are to play Maccabi Haifa on the holiday isle of Cyprus. Euroworld Travel have a number of package holiday options available. From Self Catering to 5* All Inclusive Ring Louise today for the best holiday bargains to Cyprus. Euroworld travel 0870 330 0400 If making a booking please remember to mention Red News and let us know at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------- [5] A Red Perspective --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Open season once more at Manchester Utd A contributor to Manchester Unitedís first fanzine, RedNews didnít even make it to his Manchester newsagent on Sunday morning without an upbeat blue walking up behind him with the question ìwhat about Roy Keane hey?î. The Utd fan replied, ìHeís from Cork. He cost £3.75m from Nottingham Forestî, before disappearing leaving the blue silently confused. ìHeíll be crucified by the pressî, said Alex Ferguson on Saturday evening. Despite being one of Fergusonís more obvious statements, the number of articles in this mornings papers was surprising even by Utdís standards. No less than seven articles in the Daily Telegraph, six in the Sun, five in the Mirror and two in the Guardian. The usual anti-Manchester Utd stance adopted by no-mark former players writing in the red top papers mean nothing. However, when the Telegraph reach new levels of ABU (Anyone But Utd), you realise that things are getting out of hand. Roy Keane is the most influential player ever to play for the club. Cantona provided a catalyst for great things, but Keane has provided work ethic and inspiration on every outing for Utd. Ask any Utd fan who he or she worries most about getting injured and it will not be Van Nistelrooy, Veron or Giggs. It will be the number 16 from Ireland. Apart from his own tireless individual performance, team mates listen to what he has to say and have great respect. This in turn brings out better performances from the majority of players. After Utdís exit from Europe last season, it was rumoured that Keane launched a verbal and physical attack on Juan Sebastian Veron, questioning his comittment to the club. Most clubs and players would not put up with this kind of behaviour but at Utd when Keane talks everyone listens. This is a measure of how important Roy Keane is to Manchester Utd. His performance in Turin in the semi-final 2nd leg of the Champions League was nothing short of magnificent. It was if after going 2-0 down and facing a huge task, Keane had said to himself he was going to single handedly turn the game around. And that he did with an incredible physical display and motivating captaincy that got the best out of his players including an Andy Cole beginning to lack in confidence but in the dying minutes able to score a goal from the tightest of angles. Those who criticise Alex Ferguson for seemingly condoning Keaneís undoubted bad behaviour at times on a football pitch should stop and think why he does this. In Cantona, Ferguson realised early on that he had a player capable of winning matches with individual performances. When Cantona launched himself into the Selhurst Park crowd Ferguson knew that he faced his biggest challenge yet. How would he convince one of his prize assets to stay in the game knowing that his very nature would always throw up conflict and possible disrepute?. Ferguson is an excellent man manager. He has proved with players like Jaap Stam and Paul Ince that he will not be walked over, which is why many are surprised by his individual attention to Cantona and now Keane. How can a man who will not have the name of Manchester Utd dragged through the mud, who will not tolerate ill-discipline at his club be seen to bow down to certain players?. Firstly, players do not go unpunished. Ferguson has reportedly fined Roy Keane £150,000 for his sending off at the weekend. What happened was wrong and even the most biased Utd supporters secretly admit that at times Keane oversteps the mark. Of course Ferguson has to be seen publicly punishing Keane for such ill-discipline. Much as he did with Cantona, he accepted that what was done was wrong, but that is where his public criticism ended and it is where his private rehabilitation with Keane will begin once more. Keane does not need internal hearings at Old Trafford. He knows what he did was wrong and he will regret it. What he needs is the backing of his manager to return to the team and put in further match winning performances. This is why Keane is at the club, and it is why Cantona was such a precious commodity in the eyes of his manager. After Keane was sent off after an incident with Alan Shearer at St Jamesís Park last season, Keane reportedly quit the game. He realised he had a discipline problem and had finally decided to give the game up. Ferguson let things simmer down and then visited Keane and his wife at their home. It didnít take long to convince Keane that football was his life and his style of play will always flirt with controversy. Keane returned to Old Trafford under the watchful eye of his manager. The footballing public together with journalists need to put things into perspective. Roy Keane wears his heart on his sleeve and at times he will let himself down and the supporters of Manchester Utd. After all, no Roy Keane for three games is a bitter blow to the team and supporters. However, rather than succeeding in forcing some sort of crisis on Manchester Utd and their supporters the public should beware that historically the players most often criticised have a tendency to come back and haunt those who post vitriol on them. Cantona returned to even greater popularity and success with Manchester Utd and Roy Keane will too. The new banner at the Stretford End this season saying Roy Keane:Adored in Manchester is only the beginning of the support that Keane will enjoy from those who matter ñ manager, team and supporters. Although it will turn out to be a long-living memory for Jason Macateer and the Sunderland fans who cheered Keaneís exit like a Cup Final winner, Roy Keane will look back on it and it will barely register. For Keane will have moved on to greater things and events at the Stadium of Light will appear very trivial in comparison. First Keane and now the Beckhamsí naming their new son Romeo. Who said the life of a Manchester Utd fan is easy?. by Paul --------------------------------- [4] Fergie on Keane injury last Saturday --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "He played against Sunderland and played magnificently without the aid of an injection but, by the end of the match, he was feeling some pain. The time is right to get it done." --------------------------------- [3] Fergie on Keane hip injury --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: "The hip problem has been troubling Roy for quite some time. We have decided that now is the time to get the operation done. We hope we will have him back by December for the main part of the season." --------------------------------- [2] Now this really is getting stupid --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: The SUn along with many others go with the story that Keane is to go in for that much needed hip op (it's been troubling him over a year), probably as soon as today, and say that this will mean, as he may not be back until December, that he is escaping the FA ban from Saturday's sending off and any FA charges. Er. So somehow missing over 10 games, a fairly significant amount of a too short career through injury, unsure of how long recovery will take is some kind of escape. With a heavy dose of irony, hmm, right, gotcha seagulls. --------------------------------- [1] Young talent leaves on loan --------------------------------- Posted Tuesday, September 3, 2002 by db: Probably because he has got too big for his boots...? Bojan Djordjic is gone to Danish side AGF on loan for the rest of the season - Planetfootball.com --------------------------------- [40] Fergie on Saturday --------------------------------- Posted Monday, September 2, 2002 by db: from the official site "I thought we controlled the match at Sunderland on Saturday. But I felt that when we didn't finish them off in the first half, like I felt we should have done, it gave them hope. We could have been three or four up in the first twenty-five minutes! The one thing about Peter Reid's teams is that they will always battle on, they've always got the perseverance to keep going and going. Perseverance is a good quality to have in a situation like that. I look at the league this year and I see there are many teams with a great commitment to try and get results. I think it's going to be a tough league. We won't appeal against Roy Keane's red card, the referee had no choice but to send him off. I have said recently the use of the elbow is a growing problem in our game. Roy is the first United player to be sent off for this offence. The replay I was shown immediately after the match was misleading. When I saw the TV pictures from a different angle, I saw the referee had no choice. I still think it was petty rather than grievous. Roy had bother with his hip last season. I wanted him to take the summer off and have an operation at the time, but we decided not to do it. It's a situation we are taking game by game. He felt okay on Saturday. The injury could come back, we don't know. But we're keeping our eye on it. Nicky Butt did a bit of jogging on Friday and hopefully he'll be okay for Tuesday. We certainly hope so because we have five or six injuries at the moment. But they'll all come back fairly quickly. Gary Neville played in a reserve game on Thursday, he's coming on quite well and should be back in a couple of weeks' time. Mikael came off with a neck injury in the first half at Sunderland but he will be fine in a few days." --------------------------------- [39] Sven on picking Bowyer and Woodgate --------------------------------- Posted Monday, September 2, 2002 by db: "It's very good as now I am a free man to pick whoever I want. I agreed not to pick them [before the World Cup] as I thought there would have been a lot of confusion around the national team and that's not good. If Bowyer goes on playing like he is now then he is very interesting. He is doing very well "It should be very bad of me to judge a player without knowing him or having him in the squad. I'm not talking about Lee Bowyer but, in general, you can always change. If you have done something stupid in your life, it doesn't mean that you will necessarily do stupid things all your life. I think it's a question we can talk a lot about. If someone has served his punishment, you can't go on punishing them all their lives because they did something they shouldn't. It would have been very difficult for me to take them to the World Cup, it would have created a lot of problems. In terms of quality the squad would have perhaps benefited but with the attention they would have got, Engl! and would have been worse off." ---------------------------------------------------------- This email has been filtered for swear words which cause some email systems to block messages. ----------------------------------------------------------
