Sisi, Ben, et al--
We here at ONE/Northwest have a big Sympa install (over 1000 lists, and
200,000 users!), and so we'd be quite interested in Sympa integration.
We're not big Sympa experts, but we're pretty handy with the Plone. ;-)
We have a very strong relationship with the crew at ElectricEmbers.net,
who are a progressive hosting firm in the Bay Area who specialize in
high-touch NGO email stuff, and are probably the most knowledgeable
folks in the NGO sector about Sympa (except for maybe the Riseup
folks!). Not sure if that's relevant (yet).
best,
jon
sisi wrote:
Hi all,
Carsten Senger wrote:
Hi Ben,
Ben Rudder wrote:
A little off topic because we have no ressources to cosponser
integration. But we, a very small umemployed ngo, had the same
problems some time ago. I skimmed trough the sources of Mailman 2 and
did some research about approaches to extend Mailman 2. Hacking
Mailman 2 is undesireable and was out of question to us, so we opted
for the manual approach.
Our biggest win since then was migrating to Sympa.
(http://www.sympa.org). It's a mailinglist server written in Perl.
I'm glad someone else brought Sympa up!
There have already been discussions about integrating Sympa with
Plone, as a replacement for listen (because indeed using the zope/
plone stack to handle mailing lists for large lists and heavy traffic
is not a good idea). I don't want to go over the reasons why Sympa
rather than mailman cause that is covered by Carsten below.
I did want to say though, that this is something Friends of the Earth
International and Friends of the Earth Netherlands desperatly need,
and I was planning on drumming up support for a sprint to get some
developers together to work on this in the new year. We can't offer
money but we can offer space and logistics for the sprint (in
amsterdam!) and I am hoping FoE Netherlands will be able to provide
some programming skills too.
In the International office we are still using mailman, but I'd like
to migrate to Sympa for alot of reasons. No idea what the migration
path is like but perhaps that's something we could work on together if
you find Sympa interesting too (Carsten I'd appreciate any tips you
have but it's a bit off topic so maybe off list?)
I believe the Sympa community have already been approached about
integration with Plone and were happy with it, but I might have that
wrong.
I'm open to the integration being with mailman if that is the majority
wish, and would be still like to help organise a sprint if so, but
perhaps we can discuss which mailing list software to integrate with
first and make a decision as a community?
I think the plone community as a whole would back this, not just in
the NGO world, so maybe we need to move this discussion over to the
third party products list (but not till I've joined that list!!) :-)
Cheers,
and thanks to Ben for bringing this up, I hope we can work together
soon :-)
sisi
If you do some research you should consider migrating to and
integrating Sympa. And it would be a far more flexible solution for
the community.
We chose it because
- it's mature and is constandly being developed
- has a serverwide userdb
- can authenticate against different sources (cas, shibboleth and ldap)
- has an advances permission and rule system (authentication scenarios)
- templates for different list types (List Families)
- true virtual hosts were you can use the same listname in different
hosts.
- a SOAP interface
- RSS-Feeds
- good documentation
cons for us where:
- setup and integration into postfix with virtual domains can be a
little tricker
- flexible bounce-management (and in general more options) that we had
to consider
- UI could be more intuitive
- perl
- less known and a smaller userbase
..carsten
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