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2009/2/10 Michael Teper <[email protected]> > Right, and I completely agree, these are all good things to pursue. > Perhaps I wasn't clear enough as by the tone of the replies it seems people > inferred that I thought that posting bio's and pics was a bad idea. I don't. > ALL I am saying is that it would **also** be helpful if the reason we have > two official NH sites were to be explained somewhere prominent. :-) > > > > I feel like we are beating a dead horse, so I'll stop. :) > > > > -Michael > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Bohlen > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:57 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [nhibernate-development] Re: NHForge - Pictures of you guys :) > > > > Michael: > > > > FWIW, I also think we very much appreciate YOUR input on this issue -- I > agree that the apparent confusion introduced by having more than one 'ideal' > or 'official-looking' clearing house for NH info is a challenge to the > overall health of the project but as has been mentioned here, there is > little (direct) action that can be taken to resolve this. > > > > Instead, by improving the content, structure, etc. of the NHForge content > over time even the big G will stop considering nhibernate.org to be the > top search result. This isn't as direct a fix as either shutting down > nhibernate.org or taking it over, but its the best possible course of > action given the present constraints. > > > > We are all affected by the baggage we carry from our pasts :) > > > > -Steve B. > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Michael Teper <[email protected]> > wrote: > > +1 :) > > > > No disagreement here, I don't think its "either/or" -- I am merely > suggesting *another* thing that would help, and I think would address a more > in-your-face issue for a newcomes (the apparent schism in the two websites). > In any case, all good worthwhile stuff. > > > > Thank you!! > > -Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [ > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Bohlen [ > [email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, February 09, 2009 5:55 PM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [nhibernate-development] Re: NHForge - Pictures of you guys :) > > > > Tobin: > > > > FWIW, I applaud your efforts. OSS is built on the backs of volunteers -- > people who give of themselves to contribute what they can where they can. > One of the very real challenges of OSS is that its often difficult to say to > any volunteer "I would prefer you volunteer your free time doing X instead > of Y". > > > > I really think that ALL of these efforts -- coding, designing, testing, > documenting, teaching, and -- yes -- organizing content in NHForge too are > all needed around NHibernate in order to help keep its larger ecosystem > alive and healthy. No one task is more important, more valuable, or more > needed than the others IMHO; instead they all contribute to the life of the > project. > > > > I say this to any volunteer in just about any context: as long as you > aren't doing active HARM to anything, feel free to pick up a hammer, a saw, > a paint brush, an ink pen or whatever tools you like and offer up some value > to the project. The essence of satisfaction as a volunteer is in pouring > your passion for action into a concrete result that others can > appreciate for what it is. And whether thats a new feature, a closed bug, a > new article or blog post, or even an improved, more professional-looking > NHForge that helps to increase the sense of professionalism visitors > perceive around the participants in the project, I say: have at it -- all > comers are equally welcome because all contributions are equally valued~! > > > > -Steve B. > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Tobes <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > My main point is that I think this is a far bigger barrier to adoption > than lack of personability of the NH dev team. > > -Michael > > Putting photos + bios on the home page will help win trust with new > visitors. It gives the message that NHibernate is a team of seasoned > developers, not some rabble of spurious open source hackers (decision > makers often fear the worst!). By winning trust, it will also increase > adoption. That's my thinking at least. > > The failing links, duplicate forums and stale content might be solved > by creating gravity around the latest resources. Creating gravity > means doing things that pull visitors back time and time again (google > forum, nhforge.org etc). > > One thing we could do to give nhforge.org gravity would be to make the > home page as official as possible. This would leave no room for > confusion, so people know it's the place to come to. My hope is that > putting developer faces on nhforge.org home page will help to make it > more official, and therefore reduce the confusion, and ensure visitors > keep coming back. > > Tobin > > > > > -- Fabio Maulo
