On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Wenig, Stefan <[email protected]>wrote:
> Again, I’m not saying you _*should*_... but if you’re concerned about > copyright ownership you could try to get the CodePlex foundation to help > out. I understand owning and managing copyrights is one of their services. > I’ll be meeting Garrett Serrack on Tuesday. He’s employed at MS and owns the > CoApp project at CodePlex Foundation (OSS package manager for windows). If > there is a serious interest in the NH team (no premature commitment, mind > you!), I could try and talk to him about that. > > > > AFAIK, the Foundation is still looking for good success stories ;-) > > > > Here’s the who’s who: http://www.codeplex.org/About/BoardofDirectors.aspx > > > > Cheers, > > Stefan > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Fabio Maulo > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:08 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [nhibernate-development] LGPL v3 for NH3 (?) > > > > AFIK JBoss has the copyright of "NHibernate" and we already had a long > debate with them. > > We don't have money to buy the copyright and then defend it. > > We don't have time to spend in this matter because we are coders. > > > > Do you want follow the acquirement of the copyright ? > > Do you want follow and fund the organization of the foundation ? > > Many of us have very good intentions and a very good karma but... the crude > reality of facts of the real world is questionless. > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We define this kind of talk : "The immortality of the medusa" > > nonsense, I defeated medusa in God of War 2. ;) > > blabla aside, what do you think about an NH foundation which owns > the (c) of NH to prevent future debates about all this? or do you think > it's > better for NH to leave it 'in the land of unknown' ? (serious question) > > FB > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > This is a new record, 80+ mails, but we can do something better. > > At 100 GMail will auto-generate a new thread. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Frans Bouma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > AAAAHHHHHHHH! > > > > > > Please Frans, it's nothing personal either, but you're > > obviously not into > > > *GPL licensing that deep. First the claims about the AGPL > > being viral over > > > web service boundaries, and now you tell people that any > > contributor can > > > just revoke their contribution from LGPL usage? Please be > > careful with > > such > > > claims! > > > > > > errr, the contributor OWNS his work by law, and if > the > > contributor > > (still copyright holder!) doesn't want to distribute his > work > > anymore, he's > > entitled to do so. How can a GPL license overrule that law? > It > > can't. I > > simply don't understand why you think a copyright holder > CANT > > revoke > > distribution rights of the work he owns. > > > > About AGPL's clause over webservices, I indeed > > misinterpreted it, > > you're right, I'm not. > > > > > > > Once you grant a license such as the GPL or LGPL, it > cannot > > be withdrawn. > > > You can stop distributing it under that license, you can > > release new > > > versions without that license (if you own all necessary > > rights), but you > > > cannot prevent other people from using the previously > > released code based > > > upon the license it was released under. > > > > > > It's debatable, as it depends on what you see as > > 'ownership right': > > if I give you the right to use a piece of code I wrote, and > > after a year I > > decide to revoke it, do I have that right or not? Only if > you > > received from > > me the right that you may use it indefinitely. For example > > dutch copyright > > law is written to protect the copyright holder, nothing can > be > > done to the > > changed work without the approval of the copyright holder, > > this is a > > difference between e.g. dutch law and US law and was also a > > problem with > > translating the creative commons to a dutch law compatible > > version. > > > > \o/ It depends! (where you are ;)) > > > > > > > At least that's what the FSF says. GPLv2 does not have > the > > word > > irrevocable > > > in it, GPLv3 does. It has never been tested in court > AFAIK, > > but the way > > you > > > put it, it looks just uninformed to me. > > > > > > I'm not uninformed, trust me. I don't think you're > > uninformed > > either, ISV's have to be well informed about what licensing > is > > all about and > > what the consequences are, for example when someone does > work > > for you or > > wants to contribute code to your project. > > > > > > > Thousands of OSS projects would be in danger if that was > > true, including > > > Linux. I really don't think that this is a possibility > that > > should be > > > considered by the NH team! > > > > > > look at the (c) of the sourcecode. :) You quoted a > > header of > > Hibernate, the copyright is with RH, owner of JBoss. This > > isn't done because > > they like to own stuff, but because of that they want to be > > able to decide > > what happens to the code. > > > > What I suggested, an NH foundation which owns the > (c), > > you don't > > have the problems arising from 'owner controls what can be > > done', the NH > > foundation is in that case the owner. > > > > > > > BTW, we're not safe from patents in the EU: > > > > http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/german-high-court- > > declares-all- > > > software.html > > > > > > yeah, true. Though EU patent law overrules a german > > judge (if I'm > > told correctly!), although it's a troubling progression. > > Software patents > > will hurt us all bigtime. > > > > FB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fabio Maulo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Fabio Maulo > > > > > > > -- > Fabio Maulo > -- Fabio Maulo
